George Harris, Ph.D. Kansas City Star Reader Advisory Panel 2008
After the shootings at Fort Hood, people understandably speculated about what caused the alleged shooter Major Hasan to attack. Was it Muslim ideology? psychosis? Or was it post traumatic stress disorder?
Without drawing a conclusion about the Fort Hood situation when all facts are not yet known, I think it is reasonable to discuss whether post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a possible explanation. Doing so may help readers develop a broader understanding of PTSD as it affects soldiers and domestic first responders.
Mental health professionals use a diagnostic and statistical manual (DSM) developed by the American Psychiatric Association. The DSM comprises all psychiatric diagnoses and the criteria that must be met for diagnosis.
The criteria for PTSD state that a traumatic stressor can be a direct personal experience of actual or threatened death or serious injury or threat to physical integrity. PTSD can also result from witnessing such an event or from learning about such an event occurring to a family member or other close associate.
It is the last phrase that opens the door to the claim that a psychiatrist could develop PTSD after listening to repeated accounts of the horrors of war. Some have referred to such a disorder as "secondary" PTSD, but there is no official category of such in the DSM.
Here's the problem as I see it: There aren't many psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers or counselors in the military, or in the U.S. for that matter, who haven't frequently heard about horrible events. As a psychologist who works with police and fire departments, I routinely listen to accounts of such events from police officers, firefighters and soldiers returning home to rejoin their departments. Therapists regularly listen to accounts of physical and sexual abuse, domestic violence and other traumas that are a fact of life.
So how many mental health professionals have you read about who went berserk and went on a shooting rampage? Depending on how one counts, there are easily several hundred thousand mental health professionals in the country, and no doubt some have psychiatric disorders (depression, etc.) But the incidence of so called secondary PTSD, especially that resulted in a shooting rampage, is statistically improbable.
Mental health professionals may get jaded, burned out, cynical, or just plain tired from their work. Some develop depression or anxiety, sometimes from working with difficult or suicidal patients.
But post traumatic stress disorder diagnoses should not be casually diluted by including people who have been bothered by listening to accounts of horror.
PTSD is not a mild case of the jitters, nor is it an illness someone can control by trying to shake it off. It is not an emotional problem of someone who is weak or cowardly. People with PTSD have flashbacks and uncontrollable intrusive thoughts, sleep disruption and overwhelming anxiety. It is a very real, physical disorder that can happen to anyone directly exposed to severe trauma. And it ruins lives.
Treatment helps and should be encouraged. We should not say anything that soldiers or first responders would hear as diminishing the significance of their experiences or the reality of their illnesses. There are plenty of other DSM diagnoses to go around for the rest of us.









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Ted re psychiatrist
Good link, Ted. I hadn't seen this. Not terribly surprising, given the lure of the media spotlight that many professionals seek to sell something. Most of my colleagues cringe when they hear the radio talk show psychologists diagnosing and offering opinions on their programs.
I actually don't know what the code of ethics of psychiatrists says about diagnosing from afar. But it's not unusual for a medical doctor/psychiatrist for an insurance company to make pronouncements about medical necessity without ever seeing the patient. I once threatened to report an insurance company doctor for practicing in Missouri without a license. That got me what I wanted in that case, but I never saw another referral from the company.
Thanks for the information and a thoughtful response
Maj. Hasan psychiatric PTSD reference
George Harris,
See: The Ft. Hood Killer - Guilty But Not Evil
Psychology Today
by Dr. Mark Goulston
by-line: "Mark Goulston is a psychiatrist, business consultant, executive coach, and trained hostage-negotiators for the FBI."
Dr. Goulston begins:
"Major Nidal Malik Hasan was not a bad person. He was even possibly a good person. But he was a very sick person who did a terrible thing."
In other words, Hasan is properly a patient.
Further down, Goulston summarizes his 'How It Happened' section:
"We can’t know for sure, but I believe that the threat of deployment of Major Hasan to first hand have to go into combat and witness and even support Americans killing Muslims was just too much. Previously traumatized [i.e., PTSD'd, per Goulston's logic] by hearing the stories of too many soldiers with PTSD and too many soldiers telling tales of killing Muslims (who he increasingly felt a kinship too) and their families, the fear of now going and perpetrating it firsthand may have proved too much [precipitating what Dr. Goulston terms a "retraumatization" event, and consequent expression of active symptoms (violence)], caused him to panic, and react to that panic by perpetrating the killings he did."
In other words, per the Dr., the Major had already acquired PTSD by proxie, or 'second hand', and that the prospect of deployment induced a fully-blown violent PTSD-reaction in the patient.
I don't recommend that you report Dr. Goulston to the authorities, and this psychiatrist is far from being the only professional to publish this kind of talk about Maj. Hasan.
Instead, I recommend that you Relax and Learn to Love the Bomb. Just kidding! ... an old Cold War josh. ;-)
But really George, you 'walked into it'. There is of course plenty of this sort of 'accommodation' of the Major going on ... and yes, among card-packing professionals.
An important point to keep in mind about psychologists and psychiatrists is that there really is quite a wide range in 'where they're coming from' and 'what they're up to'. There are 'straight arrows', as you appear to be, and then there are others trending up through 'opportunists', 'self-promoters', 'manipulators', and beyond ... all of them with access to the web.
Dr. Goulston is selling his book in the article (in Psychology Today): “Post Traumatic Stress Disorder for Dummies”.
Ted Clayton
Ted re gunshy
Ted, good comments. I sometimes don't read an article carefully either, but before I publicly declare the piece to be "assinine" (sic)I reread it to be sure I understood it. Several posters either didn't read the article carefully or didn't want to read it carefully or couldn't read it carefully or wanted to inject into my article something they'd read elsewhere or something they thought they'd read elsewhere. You get the idea. It's ready, fire, aim, and out they come with demeaning comments. I think you defended them, but if you don't think so, well, ok. I'm a big boy, and I can separate the wheat from the chaff myself, but I think the negativity and nastiness detracts from the web site. I've never deleted a comment and doubt I ever will, but I'd prefer to see respectful debate.
As for your comments that other psychologists had attributed Hasan's behavior to PTSD: I really hadn't seen any psychologists saying this. I saw some articles sort of say this by columnists with some psychological diagnoses running around in their heads, but I did not see a licensed professional making such a statement definitively. Not saying it didn't happen, but I didn't see it. Would appreciate a link to any article that did so because I'd probably report it to the licensing board.
Yours for intelligent discussion,
George
"Careful writing"
George Harris,
I appreciate that as a professional, you are hemmed in more than others, and I like that you are willing to place yourself in a bit of an awkward position, contributing to an important dialog in which you have special expertise, despite it being a little tricky for you.
I think that indeed, before the growing indications of Hasan's radicalism made it pronouncedly untenable, there was a visible and insistent theme - especially from some psychologists (and their allies) that Hasan ought to be viewed as a victim, or as a patient, or both. And that this status would make it inappropriate to frame the man or his actions in terms of Jihad or terrorism. Reading carefully, I saw that you were defining PTSD to exclude that application (is that 'careful writing'? ;).
That's certainly what I got "gunshy" about, and I think others were flinching & digging in their heels at this message, as well: that psychology was being turned on its head, to provide ... an excuse for the inexcusable.
"Gunshy" is a classic "conditioned aversion reflex", in psych-terms. It means Pavlov rings the bell, holds out a bowl of food to the dog, then a hidden assistant wacks the dog with a stick. The end result is, the dog soon learns to flinch at & become averse to; the bell, Pavlov and the food-bowl.
There is really no excuse for what we see all too often on blogs: that a commenter does not bother to read the post well enough to even have a trustworthy grip on what was said. Some of the comments here struck me as having the upside-down idea that you extend PTSD to cover Hasan, when your intent was to show that PTSD does not stretch that far.
I read the post twice, cinching down my thinking-cap extra snug for the second pass, to be confident of the intended message. Those who made one quick run-through, may not have 'got it' ... which is meant to be more forensic, than exculpatory. ;)
Ted Clayton
Thulefoft, no pussyfooting
Thulefoft, what you call pussyfooting, I call careful writing. Psychologists are ethically prohibited from diagnosing patients they haven't evaluated. So I wrote the article carefully to avoid a problem.
Unfortunate that some (mis)read the article, but aren't you making excuses for their conduct by saying that maybe they're "gunshy" because of people making excuses for Hasan?
Sounds like the kind of psychological excuse making you implied you don't like.
Agreed ...
He pussy-foots around it a bit, but I think George Harris (Ph.D - psychology, evidently) says that it's not likely that Maj. Hasan's actions fall under PTSD.
Shrinks are listeners & cajolers. They are in the business of commisurating with unhealthy and addled people. That Hasan would be up for special consideration because of the awful things he heard from his soldier-patients, is an abuse of PTSD ... that's what I hear from Harris' post. And I agree.
If it was true that listening to the woes of humanity left shrinks with a dangerous form of mental instability ... we'd be crazy to go to them, wouldn't we? I mean, we'd all know: "They just as soon shoot ya as look at ya! Stay the hell away from them!" The professions of psychologist & psychiatrist would totally vanish, overnight, if it was true that their work gave them PTSD. By proxie.
Maybe Harris was a little subtle about it.
Maybe we're all getting a little gun-shy, hearing folks trying to use PTSD as a defense for Hasan. Maybe we're getting a little irritated with efforts to paint Hasan as the victim in this tragedy. To deny that, "It's his religion, stupid!"
I know I am.
Hasan is a radical Islamic jihadi. Has been for quite a few years. Worked hard at it. (Harder than he worked at his schooling, his role as a doctor, or his job as an Army officer.)
In the first hours after his attack, there was little to go on ... but within a few days, it was obvious-enough that the Major's complaint is a classic example of DSM Jihadism.
What? Jihadism isn't in the DSM?
Well, don't worry about it: the DSM has been a 'work in progress' for a long time. You can mine it for plenty of comedy-routines - previous editions contain lots of embarrassments for 'modern' shrinks.
And in addition to the bloopers & outtakes, there is other stuff that should be there, but pregnantly enough, isn't.
Lastly, Dr. Harris soft-pedals the baggage that those who choose to become shrinks drag along with them into their profession. Plenty of these folks gravitate to psychology & psychiatry in an effort to 'fix' ... themselves. They are not-infrequently their own favorite life-long patient.
Maj. Hasan didn't do what he did because he "snapped", or because second-hand PTSD poisoned his mind, but rather because his chosen identity as a radical Muslim prescribes the actions he took.
Ted Clayton
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Can you folks read?
We should not say anything that soldiers or first responders would hear as diminishing the significance of their experiences or the reality of their illnesses.
I don't know if he is right or wrong, but Harris is basically agreeing with you. He’s saying PTSD is extremely rare, if it exists at all, among mental health professionals. If you have a problem with the American Psychiatric Association’s definition of PTSD, then fuss at them, not Harris.
PTSD when you never went to combat ha ha ha .
This has to be the most assanine thing ever wrote .
hjMizzou - EITD is correct
Treatment: One 9mm bullet to the head.
PTSD
post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)?
Try:
Extremist Islamic Terrorist Disorder (EITD )
george, you do to PTSD
what louie d does for race relations. By applying a label to a situation where it is not deserved, you trivialize the concept. This would lead me to think that you get some kind of financial benefit from the research into PTSD. That seems to be what drives most of the racists out there.
This Just In: Modern Jihadist ideaology is dangerous.
Let's analyze this theory more deeply by investigating how many First Responders and/or Mental Health Professionals involved in the aftermath of 9/11 comitted terrorist acts due to Secondary PTSD. Case Closed.
THis is the biggest piece of
THis is the biggest piece of crap article yet that i have seen on the FT Hood shootings. Mr Harris you do a disservice to those individuals who actually suffer from PTSD by inferring Hasan could have suffered some emotional trauma from listening to returning soldiers. Hasan did not suffer PTSD. He suffers from Islamic insanity that drives them to kill the infidels, nothing more nothing less. Quit making excuses for this man, he committed an act of war because of his islamic beliefs.