By Arturo Mora, Kansas City Star Midwest Voices columnist 2009
There’s absolutely no evidence that the Fort Hood case is one of organized home-grown Islamic terrorism. But, even if it was just one crazed man, if his main motivation was Islamic resentment, then it is a form of home-grown terrorism, and an issue we have to deal with. It’s a volatile question, but a natural one to ask.
Too many pieces of the puzzle are unknown, and as the president said, no one should jump to conclusions. But it’s the government’s solemn responsibility, and ours as a society, to look at all aspects of this. While we should do so with patience, respect and wisdom, we should not dismiss the question out of hand, is Fort Hood a case of home-grown Islamic terrorism?
The pieces indicating this are superficial and circumstantial evidence. The biggest point being bandied about is that the killer, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan,, shouted ”Allahu Akbar” before shooting, which is reported as meaning, “God is Great.” Other supposed indicators, according to reports, are that he had recently become a more devout Muslim, and that he strongly opposed both our wars, in Iraq and Afghanistan.
More likely this is a case, as many reports also indicate, of a troubled, crazed man who was afraid of going to a war zone and leaving his family behind. It’s unknowable what exactly what was in his mind. Was he just a troubled man, an American soldier who couldn’t handle the stress of war (and much reporting indicates the military handled this aspect poorly)? The question we don’t want to ask but should, was he a troubled Muslim who now hated the country he was born in, because of what he perceived it was doing to Muslims in the Middle East?
In Europe, especially in Great Britain, home-grown Islamic terrorism has become as big a threat, or bigger, than Al Qaeda plots. The conventional wisdom is that our Islamic population is not as radicalized as Europe’s, and that our society handles assimilation much better. I agree with that characterization, and yet warn that caution is the watchword when it comes to Islamic fundamentalism.
Militant Islamic fundamentalism—not Islam itself—is a more peculiar and passionate brand of religion than most others in the 21st century, and mixed with Muslim opposition to our wars, it can plant a seed that can take hold in impressionable minds, even here.
So due caution is necessary, as it always should be anyway. Surveillance of any contacts with Al Qaeda or other terrorists should continue, within the law. The British government regularly keeps an eye on radical mullahs living there. It’s trickier for us to do that, because we have a stricter Constitution (they have no formal one), and it opens a Pandora’s box involving free speech and religious freedom. Who judges what’s radical enough to warrant surveillance?
We need to be careful about overreaction on all sides, racism, and slipping away from the liberties promised by our Consititution. The spectre of Japanese-American concentration camps during World War II still haunts us, so thank God no one (that I know of) has suggested that.
Due to our very nature as an immigrant nation, America has always had to deal with the uneasy situation of ethnic groups living here from countries we are battling in war. We are not battling any Muslim nation per se, but we are obviously at war in Muslim regions. Except for the Japanese-American camps, we have always handled such unease with wisdom and justice. Let’s not slip up on that.









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Not card-packing Al Qaeda, but in a way, worse.
Arturo Mora,
This post is now a week old ... and has aged conspicuously.
Shouting "Allahu Akbar" as he mounted the table and commenced shooting is now well-down the inventory of insights suggesting that Major Hasan was acting under the impetus of rather explicit radical Islamic jihadi motives/ideology.
This story is probably headed from bad to worse, terrorism-wise.
True, there is no sign of accomplices and only weak signs of a formal chain of external indoctrination & influence/guidance ... but that is increasingly looking like small & hollow comfort.
Major Hasan's real intentions look mountingly jihadist, and the span of time in which he nursed his Muslim grievance is much too long to chalk it up to 'passions of the moment' - even allowing many months for the 'moment'.
Hasan is rapidly becoming an iconic figure in the history of American terrorism.
There is massive political fallout. Prevailing winds are carrying the brunt of it over the territory of Democrats, Liberals, and the Obama administration/Oval Office.
The military and intelligence communities & professions are heavily invested in trying to internalize Muslims: They need them, to gain an inside view of a scene none of them have experienced. Now, they have to fear that self-radicalization could be a too-common outcome.
There could be serious costs, even without anything like the Japanese internment.
Ted Clayton
Ted, you're right, it gets scarier by the day...
This post is now a week old ... and has aged conspicuously.
Shouting "Allahu Akbar" as he mounted the table and commenced shooting is now well-down the inventory of insights suggesting that Major Hasan was acting under the impetus of rather explicit radical Islamic jihadi motives/ideology.
This story is probably headed from bad to worse, terrorism-wise.
True, there is no sign of accomplices and only weak signs of a formal chain of external indoctrination & influence/guidance ... but that is increasingly looking like small & hollow comfort.
Major Hasan's real intentions look mountingly jihadist, and the span of time in which he nursed his Muslim grievance is much too long to chalk it up to 'passions of the moment' - even allowing many months for the 'moment'.
Hasan is rapidly becoming an iconic figure in the history of American terrorism.
There is massive political fallout. Prevailing winds are carrying the brunt of it over the territory of Democrats, Liberals, and the Obama administration/Oval Office.
The military and intelligence communities & professions are heavily invested in trying to internalize Muslims: They need them, to gain an inside view of a scene none of them have experienced. Now, they have to fear that self-radicalization could be a too-common outcome.
There could be serious costs, even without anything like the Japanese internment.
Ted Clayton
Ted, thanks for your insights, and I don't disagree much. It's a troubling issue. For whatever reason, the Army screwed the pooch by coddling him, so many warning signs. Are we not intelligent enough to watch out for monsters like this and still protect people's rights? Both can be done.
As the Europeans have discovered, it's the terrorists within, even (or especially) the self-starters, you need to worry as much about as you do Al Quaeda. It's a scary world out there, but we are resilient and intelligent enough to survive without losing our values.
....what's so funny about peace love and understanding? E.Costello
Thx to: chazzykc, Arturo Mora, rosiesayer
I appreciate the attention you guys have given to ... what looks like was more likely a tech-glitch, than a '1000 word limit' or some such.
I am relieved & pleased!
A couple more 'forensic' details are; I previewed the affected comment, twice, noticing each time that it was just 'lopped off', at the same place. I then petulantly posted it anyway, and it was hacked off in the same place.
Odd ... but by no means beyond the glitch-pale!
Thanks for all the commisuration & encouragement! :)
Ted Clayton
No evidence at all?!?!
The blind leading the blind.
Dan,
At the time of publication (Sunday) there was no solid evidence of an "organized"...that is in conjunction with a group, plot, plan.....terrorist attempt. That doesn't mean such evidence hasn't emerged since then or might emerge.
....what's so funny about peace love and understanding? E.Costello
I agree
Truncation was most likely a technical problem. Usually if they are going to do anything your post just disappears.
You want an accurate assessment Mr. Mora?
I suggest you read this column by Col. Peters who absolutely nails it.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/fort_hood_xjP9yGrJN7gl7zdsJ31vnJ
Thanks, Budrog - I read it and agree with every bit
Finally, somebody says what many are thinking.
Weighty issues ... but are comments now truncated?
Arturo Mora,
This is a pretty good post.
It's a pretty big post. There are quite a few points involved, and there's a lot ground covered.
I'd like to respond to issues raised, posed & asked.
However, I recently posted a comment that made a substantial response, and was surprised to see it hacked off short. I'd posted longer comments, previously.
So before I write a response, I have to ask: Is Midwest Voices now cutting off comments at some arbitrary length?
It doesn't seem worthwhile to make meaningful comments, if they will just be shortened ...
Ted Clayton.
S O P, Ted
This is a pretty good post.
I'd like to respond to issues raised, posed & asked.
However, I recently posted a comment that made a substantial response, and was surprised to see it hacked off short. I'd posted longer comments, previously.
So before I write a response, I have to ask: Is Midwest Voices now cutting off comments at some arbitrary length?
It doesn't seem worthwhile to make meaningful comments, if they will just be shortened ...
Ted Clayton.
First Ted, let me encourage your continued participation in this blog......yours are among the most well thought out, articulate and pragamatic postings. Most of us regulars enjoy reading your opinions.
The folks who administer Midwest voices usually make a modest effort to be fair to all. When they fail on the fairness issue it is seems to be one of three things that triggers erasure, truncating or, on occasion, a silly e mail featuring a threatening reprimand: 1) laziness 2) zealotry or 3) a sense that a posting is moving the thread in an inflammatory direction.
Those of us who have been here a good while get tired of it.....but we continue our effort to fight the extremely progressive editorial board bias by "hanging tough" and continuing our participation. I hope you decide to do the same.
Approximately 1 in 7 of my postings have been "scrubbed" in some way since March of '08.
The paid pundits of the ed. bd. almost never respond to any direct question or challenge. That differs from the advisory panel and the midwest voices panelists, many of whom will engage. The only refreshingly fair progressive is Arturo Mora who articulates his thoughts well and will engage.....no other progressive here will do so. When Arturo amends a posting he apologizes and explains why.
I have never had a posting obliquely "chopped off" as you have....a techie error perhaps?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Ted....
This is a pretty good post.
I'd like to respond to issues raised, posed & asked.
However, I recently posted a comment that made a substantial response, and was surprised to see it hacked off short. I'd posted longer comments, previously.
So before I write a response, I have to ask: Is Midwest Voices now cutting off comments at some arbitrary length?
It doesn't seem worthwhile to make meaningful comments, if they will just be shortened ...
Ted Clayton.
First Ted, let me encourage your continued participation in this blog......yours are among the most well thought out, articulate and pragamatic postings. Most of us regulars enjoy reading your opinions.
The folks who administer Midwest voices usually make a modest effort to be fair to all. When they fail on the fairness issue it is seems to be one of three things that triggers erasure, truncating or, on occasion, a silly e mail featuring a threatening reprimand: 1) laziness 2) zealotry or 3) a sense that a posting is moving the thread in an inflammatory direction.
Those of us who have been here a good while get tired of it.....but we continue our effort to fight the extremely progressive editorial board bias by "hanging tough" and continuing our participation. I hope you decide to do the same.
Approximately 1 in 7 of my postings have been "scrubbed" in some way since March of '08.
The paid pundits of the ed. bd. almost never respond to any direct question or challenge. That differs from the advisory panel and the midwest voices panelists, many of whom will engage. The only refreshingly fair progressive is Arturo Mora who articulates his thoughts well and will engage.....no other progressive here will do so. When Arturo amends a posting he apologizes and explains why.
I have never had a posting obliquely "chopped off" as you have....a techie error perhaps?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
I wish I knew why your post was affected, I have no idea. As I explained to Bud, I never delete posts.
I have occassionally changed or deleted a cuss word (or a **-word thinly disguising a cuss word). That's the only change I ever make.
I thought Chazzy explained the process pretty well (and thank you for the rare compliment I hear here, I'll take anything!).
I try to engage but only do so occassionally because of time. I engaged Bud here because, frankly, I was just confused as heck as to his objection, more than anything!
....what's so funny about peace love and understanding? E.Costello
The evolving news cycle......
is revealing a committed islamist radical......which begs for a more focused anlaysis, and a more proactive program for dealing with other domestic observed cases.
http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=9030873
It is not easy ....we do however need to design a more practical way to deal with ANY and ALL who we discover in routine surveillance, foster a similar conviction of islam 1st, America second.
My sympathies and support for those of the muslim faith who decry the "unfair profiling" will change the day that CAIR, its members and supporters, openly, publicly and loudly reject sharia law and proclaim an allegiance to America's laws and our legal system......which they have repeatedly refused to do. Until then all CAIR folks should be under severe scrutiny and subject to intense profiling. The islamic radicals issued the Fatwah...not us.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
The evolving news cycle......
is revealing a committed islamist radical......which begs for a more focused anlaysis, and a more proactive program for dealing with other domestic observed cases.
http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=9030873
It is not easy ....we do however need to design a more practical way to deal with ANY and ALL who we discover in routine surveillance, foster a similar conviction of islam 1st, America second.
My sympathies and support for those of the muslim faith who decry the "unfair profiling" will change the day that CAIR, its members and supporters, openly, publicly and loudly reject sharia law and proclaim an allegiance to America's laws and our legal system......which they have repeatedly refused to do. Until then all CAIR folks should be under severe scrutiny and subject to intense profiling. The islamic radicals issued the Fatwah...not us.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Give me a freaking break! What a whiny moron.......
"More likely this is a case, as many reports also indicate, of a troubled, crazed man who was afraid of going to a war zone and leaving his family behind. It’s unknowable what exactly what was in his mind." Arty.
Oh, the poor man! He was, oh my, "troubled", and "afraid". Only a certified, grade A, no. 1,member of the kookdom could write such drivel. The sorry SOB took the lives of American soldiers in cold blood! WTH is wrong with you Arty?!
I tell you what if he is "troubled" and "crazed" now, lets send this sorry sob directly to Club Gitmo for some "R&R". Then lets spend 21 cents for a 9mm round and put him down. Then bill his family for the round.
Troubled and crazed my ass. Can you believe this tripe!?
(Read it quick folks, Arty has his thumb on the delete key)
Rogue you're funny.....
Oh, the poor man! He was, oh my, "troubled", and "afraid". Only a certified, grade A, no. 1,member of the kookdom could write such drivel. The sorry SOB took the lives of American soldiers in cold blood! WTH is wrong with you Arty?!
I tell you what if he is "troubled" and "crazed" now, lets send this sorry sob directly to Club Gitmo for some "R&R". Then lets spend 21 cents for a 9mm round and put him down. Then bill his family for the round.
Troubled and crazed my ass. Can you believe this tripe!?
(Read it quick folks, Arty has his thumb on the delete key)
First of all, for the millionth time (not that you'll actually process what I'm saying. Again.), I don't delete posts, that's not me.
Second, geez, what is your as usual overreaction all about? I wasn't defending the guy in any way. "Crazed" isn't critical enough for you? I don't know what's in the guy's head. THis post was all about just asking questions. Just because I don't call for shooting the guy outright like you do, it doesn't mean I'm letting him off the hook.
Wow. Have a wonderful day.
....what's so funny about peace love and understanding? E.Costello
Jihad
It amazes me the lenghts to which some in the media and in the political class will go in order to not call an act of terror and act of terror.
MAJ Hasas made a cold and calculating choice. Instead of chosing to defend his country against all enemies, he chose instead to become his countries enemy. His acts were nothing more than a jihadist attacks on Americans all for the purpose of promoting his fundamentalist Jihadist views.
If we cant call a person a Jihadist when they choose the Jihadist way, then how then will we protect ourselves from other home grown terrorist attacks?
kenm_1262
apparently, to the MSM and the liberal Star columnists, the only real threat within the U.S. is conservatives, or as they like to lump "radical conservatives". Any other group or religion (except Catholic) are free to exercise their free-speech rights even it it involves taking lives. That's how threatened the MSM & liberals feel about conservatives.
Let's see..
Once the Virgina Tech shooter was identified, it was publically known fairly quickly that he was being treated for mental problems. He was not a muslim, he was not heard shouting 'Allah Akbar' as he started killing, something done mostly by islamic terrorists, rather than something ususally done by the mentally ill. There was no evidence that someone with his name had been on radical islamist websites supporting suicide bombers and generally supporting causes of islamic terrorists. In short, no information pointing to his being a terrorist was found.
With Hassan there is significant evidence, already released (and surely much more in the hands of the military and the FBI that have NOT been released) that he is in fact a radical islmaist and therefore by his actions a terrorist.
In the past 20 to 30 years, the IRA aside, 99.5% of terrorist attacks have been carried out by radical islamist men between the ages of 16-50, about .4% have been carried out by radical islamist women between the ages of 16-50. When a practicing muslim commits a horrendous act of violence one MUST investigate the possibility that it was a terrorist act. In the times we live in, ANY incident like this must be investigated as a terrorist act until proven otherwise.
Terrorism or murder
When Virginia Tech was shot up and over 30 people were murdered by a foreign national, no one mentioned "terrorism."
Now the word comes up immediately when an American does the same thing at Fort Hood.
"Terrorism" is a loaded word and should be used carefully, or perhaps in all such cases.
So why do we hear terrorism when a guy named Hassan murders a bunch of people but when a guy name Cho does it it is a mass murder? I think I know but I won't say.
let's see thegools...
Could it be because he said "Allahu Akbar" as in 9/11 attacks, as in Afghanistan and Irag suicide bombings, as in... I guess you get the point don't you???
less then 12 months of this insanity, less then 36 months of Jimmy II
the o has laughs
and praises others, then adds a comment about the soldiers he commands. A class act just like the lib hj. The muslim scum from ft. hood should be made to suffer as much as possible. He is a coward just like the rest of the muslim terrorists, especially the bombers. It is time to stop protecting them as we have done in eastern europe and the middle east. Let them kill each other suffer under the conditions that their backward thinking results in, then destroy the remainder.
Fire bomb the poppy fields and leave the middle east.
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Homeland Can Handle Internal terrorists not a problem
Send UN volunteer farmers to Afghanistan to grow productive crops not Opium Poppies that finance terrorist. Arm them & provide radios to call for help if needed.
People stop buying foreign drugs that finance terrorists.
Cut back or stop buying all the foreign oil you can that finances terrorists.
Tell all you race haters , you know who you are, shut up!
classy post hj....
you libs when you have nothing always jump to the race card....
less then 12 months of this insanity, less then 36 months of Jimmy II
You libs are a hoot Arturo....
watch the muslims, but don't watch the muslims.... You libs, including your leader the big 0, the messiah, signer of the porkulous bill, are leading us into another attack.. what will you say then, where was the FBI???
less then 12 months of this insanity, less then 36 months of Jimmy II