Disgraced justice of peace resigns in Louisiana

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twas_was @ 12:24pm,

Nice try, twas_was - but no sale. ;-)

No, gayness is accepted on the social/societal level as a matter of "nature", not "behavior". Although some argue the point, we do officially accept that gays are expressing their nature, rather than a 'personal decision'.

The problem we're talking about, for Blacks & Women - and Gays - was/is not with their race, gender or sexual orientation, so the solution to those problems wasn't/isn't to change their, um, unchangeable nature.

Instead, the problem has been that some groups have been downtrodden within/by society ... and in the case of Blacks & Women, had long demonstrated a lack of the kinds of power that could correct this condition.

Gays have shown the ability to tap resources - money, fame, politics and cultural networks, to advance their own causes & concerns. (To a significant extent, the most successful State in the Union - California - has been 'taken over' by homosexual interests. That's fairly impressive proof of ability.)

Generally, everyone is supposed to be equal under the law. To help correct the problems that plagued African American and Feminine communities, we took the exceptional measure of creating various forms of "reverse discrimination". We decided that the only way to get these communities out of the hole they were in, was to give them a 'special' hand up - a helping hand that non-females and non-Blacks didn't get. That's actually in violation of the Constitution.

There's a cost & general downside to doing that. It acts to erode our better-principles - breaks our own 'best rules'. We have good reasons for doing it, but it's meant only to be a temporary hand out of the hole - then the reverse-prejudice goes away. (This is gradually happening, right now, and makes the news fairly regularly these days ... the election of Obama (he's Black - remember?) has highlighted the success of the 'helping hand', and furthered suggestions that we proceed with removing it.)

Gays do not appear to need reverse-prejudice, to meaningfully & steadily move their own self-interests forward. So long as gays can make progress using their own devices & means, under their own steam, then it is much preferable - both for themselves and for the general country - that we not resort to reverse-discrimnation in their case.

And so far, so good - in general.

Some say that the marriage issue shows that gays are now 'stuck'. However, I think the marriage-issue is an especially-obvious example of gays being hoodwinked by their supposed Liberal allies. The excessive reliance on 'judicial activism' is a give-away.

Meanwhile, gays continue to progress on several other fronts, improving their condition/position within society, which means that the 'hands off' policy is working and will continue.

Since marriage is not in the Constitution, it's a States' Issue, by definition. Gays-in-the-Military falls under the Uniform Code of Military Justice ... yes, gays' rights to express their nature ("Pursuit of Happiness") are impaired - but under the UCMJ, so are the rights of all other Service-Members! (Ask anyone you know in the military...)

No, gays are doing well, over all, and they clearly are not another case of African Americans, or Women (tho all 3 are accepted as cases of "nature").

Ted Clayton

Bardell did the right thing. Being from Louisiana, it gives me hope that change may be coming to a State that seemed to be in a suspended state of animation for the last 50 years. I have hope again!

"Bottom line is, Libs have taken gays for a ride, as they did with women."

When will these people learn that the libs ONLY stand for themselves and their power?

less then 12 months of this insanity

WeaselBill @ 10:09am,

Sorry I cannot provide a reference at the moment on this important point ... but the situation with gays is not and has been recognized at high levels as not equivalent to the situation with African Americans, and Women, in terms of Civil Rights (e.g., interracial marriage).

The difference is, Blacks and Women lacked the ability - the 'mechanisms' - to improve their condition in society, on their own. On their own, it appeared they would remain downtrodden, indefinately ('forever'). They lacked the money, the connections, and the political clout to 'make things happen'.

Gays do not lack those assets. The gay community contains many powerful people in well-connect positions, and is strongly promoted on the cultural front. The gay community has the ability to bring forces to bear, in it's own interest. Blacks & Women did not, and had not across a substantial span of history. This distinction has been recognized.

Interracial marriage and gay marriage is a weak comparison. Society's biggest stake in marriage is the kids, and interracial couples have children. It's largely about the young ... and gay unions don't produce offspring.

WeaselBill, I believe you are on shaky ground, saying: "The entire definition of marriage as one man-one woman is completely religious based...". No, I think you are whittling the reality down too much, to make a point. Yes, religion takes a strong interest in marriage, but that doesn't mean that marriage is 'by & for' religion. No, that's a distortion.

I'm not completely sure from your words, but the impression I'm getting is that you also try to tie 'conservative' and 'religious' together, as though they are the same, or inseparable. I think that's a mistake, if that's what you mean. Plenty of conservative people have no use for religion ... and similarly, there is no shortage of liberal religious people. Conservative does not have to mean religious, and Religious does not have to mean conservative.

Overall, WeaselBill, your rhetoric strikes me as conflating 'conservative' with 'social conservative'. Problem with that is, there are actually way too many conservatives who don't give a hoot for the 'social' (code for 'religious') angle.

I see many who support gay marriage making a special point of 'going after' the religious community. The legitimacy of religious points of view is not a weakness that gay activism is going to be able to undermine. We think of the First Amendment as giving us Freedom of Speech, and a Free Press ... but actually & factually, the first thing the First gives us is protection of Religion.

Gay activism should seriously get off the idea that they will be able to 'cut religion down to size' ... because religion has the Constitution on its side, and there is no reasonable prospect whatsoever that that is going to change.

Candidly, WeaselBill, I believe the way forward for gays on the marriage-front, is to shift the focus onto what marriage as it stands is & isn't - without inserting gays into the picture. Take marriage on, head-on, and (for the time-being) never-mind the gay angle. With divorce so common, we could shift the emphasis from 'being married' to 'being a parent' - never mind whether marriage is involved or not. Shift the distinction from being married or not-married, to whether they are parents.

Once we better-separate the kid-issue from the marriage-issue, then it becomes easier to consider innovations like shorter-term marriage ... which further helps change marriage from a 'procreation issue' to a 'social issue'.

Since people in marriages 'cheat' so often, we could consider making formal what some do informally: agree that exclusivity and 'fidelity' are negotiable elements of the relationship. This would help 'liberalize' marriage.

We 'wink' at teenage sex: wouldn't it help promote 'human respect', to legitimize what teenagers are in fact doing? Would it be impossible to have a special "Teen Union", similar to marriage, and to then promote birth control, disease management, relationship-skills, etc?

There is plenty of room for a general reform of existing marriage traditions & laws, and within such a general revamp I would not be surprised to see the interests of gays improved.

But what gay activism is doing these days, I doubt will lead to much benefit ... and could indeed 'lock' the gay community into a reduced range of options/prospects over a longer period of time than might have otherwise been the case, without their ill-considered, counterproductive 'activities'.

Ted Clayton

Interacial marriage once was illegal in many states, by the will of the people. It took a 1967 Supreme Court decision to make it legal in all states, overiding states where a majority of the public and law makers didn't want to allow it.

So any argument that the "majority of people" oppose gay marriage when it comes up for a vote, so it shouldn't be allowed and isn't an equal right, means you think it was wrong for the Supreme Court to force all states to allow interacial marriages, because it violated what the morals of the majority of citizens. And, you are basically saying that should a majority of voters in a state decide that interacial marriages shouldn't be allow, the state should have the right to make it illegal because that's the "will of the people" since no where in the Constitution does it say specifically say two people of different races have the right to marry.

You don't get it both ways. The entire definition of marriage as one man-one woman is completely religious based, when the Consitution specifically says that laws shouldn't be based on any one faith, but should apply equally to all people of all beliefs.

Also, being anti-gay marriage isn't somehow OK because you are "conservative." If you want to claim a religous stance against it, go right ahead, that's your right and you can answer to your God. But there is nothing in my "conservative" philosophy that says I have the right to deny two people marriage by a government official because I'm "conserative." That's just an excuse for you to pass religious judgements on others.

Using the label "conservative" when you really mean "religious" is an insult to conversatives whose morals are set by a general sense of right and wrong, not dictated by the doctrine of one church.

WeaselBill @ 8:29am,

Gay people can't get married in the overwhelming majority of the States ... and all of those laws came about in response to gay activism.

It's pretty obvious that gay activism has not been advancing the interests of gays. If fact, it's been making matters worse.

There is no "Right" to gay marriage, just as there is no "Right" to pristine Wilderness. Some people would like to see both of those become Rights, but they aren't, under existing laws.

"Gay activism" (which I think is distinct from many "gays") is making at least a couple big mistakes. One, it's trying to go through the Courts to ... do what has to be done by the Legislature. Bad news in California, bad news in Maine. "Judicial activism" poisons the prospects for gay marriage.

Second, gay issues in general and gay marriage in particular are not and should not be accepted as 'belonging' to the Liberal-Progressive and Left-Wing elements. The gay community is not inherently/naturally only Liberal, or only Conservative: it's both.

For the gay activism to be especially-strongly aligned with Liberals is bad news for gays in general. Look what happened with Feminism: it was co-opted by the Liberals, who denied that good women are also Conservatives, and gradually became irrelevant.

The problem with Liberal sponsorship of gay rights & gay marriage, is that it is really by and for Liberal establishment ... not firstly about/for gays, just as it was not for women. Gays have been co-opted by the Libs ... that reduces them t being a pawn in (someone else's) bigger game ... something to use as a club on Conservatives. Is that what gays want to be?

To better-advance their cause(s), gay activists need to recognize that being overly-identified with either end of the political spectrum is a weakness. Gays in general need to recognize that Left Wing activists who happen to be gay are not necessarily good Representatives of the broader gay community.

The first priorities of Liberal activism, is Liberal philosophy and Liberal politics: the interests of gays come into play, only after those priorities.

Bottom line is, Libs have taken gays for a ride, as they did with women.

Ted Clayton

Yael posts the story, I believe, in an attempt to say that folks that don't approve of gay marriage might not approve of interracial marriage. For the record, there is no similarity, and as a conservative who opposes gay marriage, I would take offense to such innuendo.
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Maybe I'm wrong here, but the fact that the incident was posted by far-left Yael, makes me think of his motive.