By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist
The White House Tuesday renewed its absurd, distracting attack on Fox News, with Robert Gibbs taking the lead this time.
President Barack Obama's press secretary singled out two Fox News shows as examples of unfair criticism.
You won't be surprised by their identities.
"You and I should watch sometime around 9 tonight or 5 this afternoon," Gibbs said. That points to the 5 p.m. slot hosted by Glenn Beck and the 9 p.m. program hosted by Sean Hannity.
Gibbs thus assured the nation that the Obama administration would waste more time attacking a single cable channel, while all kinds of important issues (heard of health care reform or climate change?) deserve more attention.
With his words on Tuesday, Gibbs picked up the cudgel from White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, senior adviser David Axelrod and Anita Dunn, the communications director. All had unveiled their own criticisms of Fox News in recent days.
It's simply ridiculous how much precious time Gibbs and others are wasting in their attacks on Fox News, thus assuring the cable channel of a ratings jump.
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Looks like you don't
remember your own words:
"So I'll leave you to your echo chamber, so you can carry on without being disturbed by uncomfortable, challenging facts."
Your just another lib who reads a poll the way they want, without regard to the underlying facts and details. Also you take it upon your self to define what other people and organizations think and then call it fact. That's what's funny about people like you.
Polarizing politics let's see
Bush, NCLB with ted kennedy
Bush, Medicare expansion with the dems on board (forget which sponsered)
Bush, War votes in the 95% to 98% of both parties
Bush, ...to many to list
the o, ...nothing to list, just lock them out of the conversation. Oh then define who the leaders of the other party are for them, and attack a news organization as a whole, but cite only a few examples. Yeah I see your point...
Remember when during the
Remember when during the campaign everyone was telling us about the superiour temperment and judgement Obama would bring to the white house. How does his temperment and judgement look now?
The fight with fox, a legitimate news organization that is doing what many in the mainstream press refuse to do, makes the president look the the man most conservatives thought he was. A thin skinned amateur and leftist radical, who does not have the judgment or temperment to govern a centrast country.
cajun lightweight
picks up his ball and runs home to momma. When did I bring up comaprisons to any other pres? Oh I didn't, standard lib distraction ploy, ignore the points made by the other side. This is a 160 punds of funny.
It's typical for presidents to get the "he's" trying poll numbers especially in the first year. To catch up with you we would have to go backwards, that's how you seem to think.
Who's running?
That's "160 pounds of fun," Woody.
But it's not fun to get into an argument with somebody who jumps into ad hominem and stereotyping when he doesn't have an argument.
The bottom line is that Obama won, and he still has a majority on his side. Reagan's approval slipped as low as 44% during his term, so the point of that is that the griping from Fox and the rest of the right, which is amplified these days by the blogosphere and the polarizing of politics that's occurred over the past few decades, doesn't amount to anything more than irrelevant noise. The big issues are where most of the country wants to go, how they feel about their president, and how they're going to vote.
And the point of *that* is that Fox's 25% of the cable news market tells us a lot about how that's likely to go. They thrive on provocative noise; they're getting huge attention; but their point of view is a loser in the current political environment.
But they don't care about winning or losing the political fight. They're stronger when they're in the opposition, anyway. Getting in the tank with them, griping and denying the facts may relieve some of your frustration, but, in the end, it doesn't count for a hill of beans. Fox doesn't care, of course. They're perfectly happy with 25% of the market. That amounts to one big pile of money for them and there's no way they could achieve that by going straight at the established news marketplace. They need a niche. You're the nich.
I bring these things up to point out that following blog opinion and the marketing techniques of Fox News can be delusional. The polls tell the story; they reflect voting habits very closely; and they'll get more interesting as we approach elections. I'm watching the one in NJ, which must have the RNC chewing their lips until they're bloody. They had a clear lead and it looked like they were going to cakewalk into the governor's seat, with a highly unpopular Democrat in office and a seething electorate that wants a big change. But as we get close, it's a dead heat: the electorate is showing us that the change they want is not back toward the past.
And that's the key point, no matter who wins. With everything going their way, the conservatives can't put the opposition away -- they had a chance for a big inning but they don't have any depth, and they're in a nail-biter to the finish. If the blogosphere was right, there's no way that should have happened.
So count the numbers, gripe away, and enjoy your self-delusion. It's not worth the time to chase your silliness around the block. I'm watching the real game, the one that counts, and I'll spend the time I have for this kind of discussion with serious people who don't want to take their anger and frustrations out on me. I'm just a reporter, and I've been at it for a lot longer than Yael has. I'm not into arguing about it. I'm into observing and reporting the realities.
and the pathetic lib
further exposes him/her self by omitting the following paragraph snipit:
"for the first time since Obama took office, fewer than half of Americans agree with the president on issues important to them, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Tuesday. A majority, 51 percent, disagree -- a jump of 10 percentage points since April."
I wonder what the issues of importance are to the American people? But hey they said they think he is a nice guy, gotta love the lib approach, one of the biggest morons on the post, but funny.
Try to keep up, Woody
Ah, if you read my earlier post on this subject ("Beck and slime"), you'd see that I said the same thing -- that Obama is below 50% (as you point out, 51% disagree with his positions) on issues, but in the mid-50s on job approval. That's true in most of the polls. And if you check the Gallup archives, you'll find that Reagan was in the same boat at this time in his first term. He faced an inherited recession, too. People disapproved of his policies. His overall job approval ratings were slightly lower than Obama's are now, but they were close. BTW, Reagan's two-term average job approval rating was 50.8% -- lower that Obama's lowest ever. Ronnie wasn't granted sainthood until more than a decade after he left office.
I've tried to be respectful but I see you're reacting like many people who are desperate to discredit facts they don't like, and you're getting a little annoying. So I'll leave you to your echo chamber, so you can carry on without being disturbed by uncomfortable, challenging facts.
I entered this to point out only that Yael's claim that time was being "wasted" by the White House on Fox was ludicrous, because they've spent a grand total of less than four minutes talking about it. The noise, and wasted time, is coming entirely from the press. And then I proved it. That's all that prompted me to make a comment.
So, carry on.
Sacaulait, 160 pounds of rompin', stompin, fun-lovin' Cajun
There You go Again Woody...
FACTS, FACTS, FACTS. You know libs don't like them.. if we loveeeeeeeeeeeeee the big 0, the messiah, author of the porkulous bill that is enough.
less then 13 months of this insanity
Why not go to
the cnn web site and view the cnn/opinion research poll showing the o doesn't represent the majority.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/21/obama.poll/index.html
Every poll that supports you is great, but not those that don't. Also opinion polls are prone to wide swings in results due to the simple wording of questions. Also the study of polling has shown that the numbers often skew based on the pollster (good looking, race, sex, ect...). Polls only show value in my opinion when the same poll is used over a lang period of time to spot trends. A great example of a poll question:
Would you for everyone in the US to have access to quality medical care? - Who answers no to this lame question?
By making the question a positive/negative like: Do you want people to starve? : you are able to control results. Both sides do it, lemmings follow the results.
WoodyKC and the CNN poll
Why not go to the CNN/Opinion Research poll, you ask?
Here's what that one says:
"...the poll also found the president's approval rating remains in the healthy mid-50s. And two-thirds of Americans say he has the personal qualities a president should have."
Are you sure you read the same poll?
Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar
Yael T. Abouhalkah,
Fergit Gibbs and Emanuel, Axelrod and Dunn. These are just alternative spellings for O-b-a-m-a. None of this happens without the President being both in on, and for it.
This silliness is a reflection on Obama.
You put it: "All had unveiled their own criticisms of Fox News in recent days." To call the commentary "their own criticisms" overlooks that it is at the approval & behest of Mr. Obama.
The theoretical upside for the White House is that by besmirching the beloved mouthpiece of Tea Party-types, rolling on the floor with Fox provokes conservatives to come running to cheer on their alma mater, instead of directing their energies in more-useful ways.
The White House supposedly pays a price in looking silly trading spit-wads with Fox, but in so doing gains a measure of control over Fox-types, hopefully forestalling more-damaging activities they might otherwise be engaged in.
'Theory' is all fine & good, but we place it in 'semi-quotes' because ... it's limitations provide no end of popular amusement - and the President knows this full good & well.
So why - really & truly - is the President engaged in this we-all-agree unlikely-to-be-rewarding contest? Sometimes, as they say, 'A cigar is just a cigar' - what looks so much like a misstep, may indeed be nothing more or less than what it appears to be ... a foolish misstep.
The only question may be, 'How much will it cost?'.
Ted Clayton
using an
opinion research poll, that explains a lot about your views. Even more humorous than first thought.
Which poll?
Would you prefer Fox News/Opinion Dynamics? They assume that almost half of the country is registered Republicans, and they pull roughly equal numbers from each. The fact is, as of last summer, the Dem/Rep ratio was 42:31.
What basis would you like to use? RealClearPolitics averages for multiple polls? They include the Fox polls and the even worse Rasmussen polls, but they still show 52.4% favoring Obama:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls
Or do you have another favorite source? Why don't we do something like they'd do on Fox News, and quote the RNC?
try this poll ***nuts...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Try more polls
As I said, even factoring in the Fox News and Rasmussen polls, usually the low outliers among professional polls on approval ratings, the broadest average -- the RCP figure -- is 52.4% favorable.
You may be interested that Scott Rasmussen was a paid political consultant to G.W. Bush. Their sample database is "likely voters," which gives an accurate figure right before an election, but tends to favor Republicans between elections. They use robocalls to conduct the polls.
Newspapers once employed real reporters to collect real news.
Gresham's Law applies to news as well as economics. Faux news drives out real news every time. It is cheaper to collect, and disseminate to the masses. Rupert Murdock learned that a long time ago and built his empire on the premise. As he continues his inexorable march toward a monopoly, look for more of the same.
Murdock and real reporters
You have to give Murdock credit for bringing back a lost tradition in American news reporting, however: Yellow Journalism. Born in the USA, cultured in Britain, and nurtured in Murdock's native Australia, it's the spawn of that fine journalistic tradition that brought us such memorable headlines as "Mom Boils Tot," and the century-old classic, "Burning Babies Fall From The Roof."
Murdock and his sidekick Roger Ailes have restored that tradition with a three-ring circus complete with a self-proclaimed "circus clown" and a sideshow that includes hopping amphibians, shell games, and easel-board acrobatics.
I think that Beck missed an opportunity with his frog-boiling demonstration, though. If he wanted to torture a dumb and slippery critter, he could have just tossed in Hannity. It would have been more entertaiing.
At Least Beck....
is uncovering and letting us all see the types of slime the big 0, the messiah, the father of porkulous, is having work in OUR White House..
Your beloved MSM, as displayed with the fallings star, merely ignores this...
less then 13 months of this insanity
Beck and slime
Actually, he's probably producing more of it than he's uncovering. I watched his "economic analysis" about the deficit a month or so ago and it's obvious the man hasn't a clue about what determines the "proper" level of the money supply. He completely missed the key point that real, mainstream economists could have explained to him in a freshman course on the subject: that money supply times "velocity" is the issue that determines whether you'll have inflation. According to Beck, inflation should be raging right now because of excess money sloshing around in the economy. In fact, the current inflation rate is NEGATIVE 1.3% (CPI) to positive 1.5% ("core" rate).
Of course we need tough, even antagonistic reporters in the news media to dig out problems and cover-ups in government. That's one of their primary jobs. And there's nothing to argue against Fox for playing that role, in their supposedly straight news reporting as well as in their opinion-circus shows.
But they're a "little loose of dissertation," to quote Jefferson. They have a pretty poor grip on fact-checking.
To use my overworked metaphor, their steady audience may be caught in that Fox echo chamber, and not recognize what's going on in the country as a whole. Opinion Research reports Obama's overall approval rating at 55% as of yesterday. That's 2 points above where Reagan was at this point in his term, and it actually represents a two- or three-point uptick over the past two months. And 66% said in that same poll that they like his "presidential" qualities.
He's shaping up, so far, with a very similar public reaction to the one that Reagan had: Just over half disagree with his stance on issues, but, as the CNN poll manager says, they love the guy anyway.
This may be a surprise to our friends in flyover country. No one should expect Obama to have many fans in the conservative heartland. But the country is much bigger than that. And most of us, except for the 25% or so who watch Fox News (Nielson's figures comparing the big four cable news networks), think he's doing as well as could be expected under the circumstances.
But Fox is entertaining. I'm expecting Glenn Beck to have a stroke onstage, because he works himself into such a lather. I hope they have the EMTs standing by full-time when he does his show.
In other words sacaulait
they tried to get as much cover on it as possible. Getting at least one person on all of the networks, including a WH press conference. Nice support you give to these people who support censorship. You do add more laughs to the post however, so thanks.
What "censorship"?
The "censorship" claim is just Fox's PR department working overtime. What the White House said is that they think Fox "News" is a joke. And they're right.
It's their opinion. No censorship is involved. Are they entitled to an opinion? Or is that Fox's exclusive right?
Is anyone surprised.....
This is an administration that has:
- Accused anyone who disagrees with their ill conceived and unfunded plan socialized health care as a right wing nut, a racist or both
- Has cabinet members who either can't remember to, or are to stupid to file their own taxes
- Has a Secretary of State that cannot handle a Q&A session with a group of 3rd world college students and then has her husband (a private citizen) sent to North Korea to do her job for her.
...why would anyone be surprised at their inept handling of a few commentators on a news channel.
If this doesn't scare you about who is negotiation for nuclear disarmament with Iran, Russia and North Korea you've spent too much time toking on your bong.
Did you add
the minutes from weekend talk shows, written word, and the strait out stupid proclimations by these unprepared idiots in the White House? Do you watch the Fox News Channel? The answers to questions such as these should provide insight into the value of your comments.
I love it when the left supports and admin that attacks a news organization and encourages other news organizations to do the same thing. It's beautiful to see the true nature of leftists, now go watch mikey moore movies with lib soc.
Add it all together
Gibbs speaks four sentences about it. Then, on the weekend talk shows: Emanuel ("State of the Union"), six sentences -- the last a rather long one. Emanuel again ("Face the Nation") for perhaps 20 seconds. Axelrod ("This Week"), two or three sentences -- 32 seconds for that one, exactly.
No one from the White House was on "Fox News Sunday," but DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe said one sentence about it. C-Span's "Newsmakers," Bloomberg's "Political Capital" -- no one.
And so it goes. The White House actually has said very little -- even Dunn's comments didn't take 30 seconds.
But the echos are bouncing back and forth from one end of Fox News studios to the other. Murdoch is rubbing his hands with glee. Over 1,000 other pieces have appeared about it in other media, says Google.
So, to the unobservant, it looks like the White House has "wasted precious time." The ones wasting precious time are Fox (who, to be fair, are just promoting their own network), and the myriad journalists who got caught in the echo chamber. Like Yael Abouhalkah.
Sacaulait how about this
The amount of time they've spent preparing comments and talking about Fox news is more than double the amount of time they spent reading the health care bill.
Lobbing the healthcare bill into the pot...
That's a good line. Maybe you should send it to Beck. He can toss it into the pot with the boiling frog and see if it jumps out.
Calling YT a Journalist is a Stretch...
He still believes Limbaugh worked on Monday Night Football and Glenn Beck who is a libetarian is a conservative...
Most "journalists" when they have been corrected on these obvious errors would 1. state the correction and 2. be sure not to repeat the error, neither of which YT has done.
I am glad the WH has helped Fox News grow its audience of Independents. More I's will be moving away from the libs, and this just speeds-up the process...
thank you big 0, the messiah, Nobel Peace Prize "winner"
oops, another NEWSpaper pretending to be a NEWSpaper...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/1834209,CST-EDT-HUNT20.article
The behavior of the White
The behavior of the White House staff on this issue just proves that they are a bunch of amatures and would be academics. All their going on about Fox News is tantamount to egging the rival frat house.
Attacking commentators (the
Attacking commentators (the equivalent to columnists in the newspaper world) on the single most popular cable television news channel is one of the biggest boneheaded moves of this administration. Now this bone head move isnt going to cost jobs or lives or tax dollars, etc but it is going to do nothing but harm to Obama.
The thinking, about as deep as a thimble, is that by attacking big bad, evil Fox News this will energize the base and make them realize Obama is SUPER LIBERAL.
Well there are some issues with that...yes they are all GA-GA over him going after FOX but that doesnt mean they are bran dead and will swallow his BS excuses and failed promises, hook line and sinker.
Second issue is ATTACKING THE MOST POPULAR CABLE NEWS CHANNEL. Apparently, Obama does not believe the old addage never pick a fight with those who buy ink by the barrel applies to TV. In fact that addage applies and then some because FOX is 24/7/365 and has the attention of more of America than any other station.
It is a stupid, waste of time that makes Obama, yet again, look like a rookie trying to make his bones by picking a fight with the big dog...sadly he is getting his butt handed to him left and right. And thus backing up the belief of many people that he truly is not ready for prime time.
What "precious time"?
Yael says "Gibbs and others" are wasting precious time attacking Fox News. I think I've seen all of the clips and read the quotes, and it looks like something less than 4 minutes to me.
On the other hand, Yael and others have wasted unconscionable amounts of space and time commenting on those few minutes. Do you think maybe Yael is trapped in the Fox News echo chamber?
Sacaulait's "4 minutes"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/20/white-house-cites-opinion-shows-basis-fox-news-complaints/
the big 0's group doesn't even know the difference between opinion and news.....
less then 13 months of this insanity
Add the minutes yourself
It's about 3 minutes, 35 seconds of total comment time by all White House officials. Add it up for yourself.
Of course, Fox has spent tens of hours regurgitating the same words -- the echo chamber that I was speaking of.
As for not knowing the difference between opinion and news, Fox is the one that doesn't seem to know the difference. It's a 24/7 editorial opinion channel. They just don't bother to say which is which.
This Ain't Chicago...
What the big 0, the messiah, the source of porkulous, is used to is Chicago politics.
There, if someone crosses you, you wipe them out. Now, the big 0 is starting to be shown to have no clothes, and the emperor doesn't like being presented with unhappy FACTS.
That a PRESIDENT would stoop so low as the big 0 has is disgusting. On the other hand, this is Jimmy Carter II, so what do you expect????
less then 13 months of this insanity
The behavior
The behavior of the Obama administration on this subject is unacceptable. Beck and Hannity CLEARLY identify themselves as commentators and make very clear that their shows are OPINION and to some extent entertainment shows. These two people, unlike the vast majority of the kool-aid media are honest about their shows NOT being news shows, although both do a much better job at journalism than most of the kool-aid media.
Being able to express one's opinion, in particular political speech in opposition to whatever party is currently in power, is explicitly what the First Ammendment to the Constitution of the United States is about. That the President and his representatives feel that it is appropriate to attack an entire network, and two shows in particular SHOULD scare the hell out of every person in this country. It is reaching the point where I seriously wonder if any member of the Obama administration has ever read the constitution, and if they have, I question whether they believe in it as the absolute foundation of what our country means.
If Obama doesn't like Fox News he doesn't have to appear on that network, but in refusing to do so he shows himself to be childish and petty.
Whatever the likes of Dunn and Gibbs say Fox does a better job than ANY OTHER NETWORK of presenting both sides of any issue, and their NEWS shows are balanced. I didn't notice Obama being bothered by a NEWS ANCHOR, during a NEWS BROADCAST, claiming to get 'thrills up his leg' over Obama. THAT was out of line on the part of MSNBC, had it been an opinion show, whatever, but still disgusting. However, it had NO PLACE in a news broadcast, and was NOT professional behavior.
The more Obama pushes the vendetta against Fox, the more childish, unfit for office of the president, and unprofessional he and his administration look. In view of that, go for it, the more you look like childish morons the better.
2010 can't come soon enough.
Can you imagine the wails of anguish
that would have gone out if Bush attacked MSNBC and named Obermann and Matthews as particularly offensive! There would have been calls for his impeachment!
Craig Crawford is lighting up a cigar 'bout now...
For anyone interested in the learning more about the WH's silly attempt at "PSYOPs" lookup Craig Crawford's Attack the Messenger: How Politicians Turn You Against the Media'.
Crawford has been (maybe still?) a regular on most all the popular talk shows, was featured on Hardball and MSNBC and other forums.
YT, drinks all around buddy!
The funny thing is
they are attacking two shows that are defined as opinion, and the commentators identify themselves as far right of center. Heck even the people I know who watch these shows think they go over the top sometimes. One question for you yael: which party is attempting to polarize the public as much as possible.
By attacking the far right opinion shows who is the o speaking too?