Obama battles great racial divide

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Black father + White Mother = POTUS.

So why is it that evertime someone disagrees with him that's white it's because he's black? I thought he was mixed raced as well as being (mixed up/confused/lost).

If his birth certificate is correct than why can't white people dislike his policies because they are wrong, stupid, expensive and utter failures? Or are only Blacks allowed to have those feelings for this POTUS' blunders?

What do you call Blacks who disagree with the POTUS....Uncle Toms?

You seem to have "picked and choosen" your facts to suit your own bias. Spouting a few lines of statistics does not make for a valid argument. There are more intensive studies that run counter to your post.

To quote a more in-depth analysis:

"Barack Obama won a convincing popular and electoral victory Tuesday. According to exit polls, the Illinois senator did better with white voters than the past two Democratic nominees, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and Vice President Al Gore, did in the 2004 and 2000 elections."

[ref: http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/obama_made_inroads_with_white.html ]

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All of that aside, is there any statistical percentage of votes for Obama that would have swayed your argument ? Would 50% of whites have to vote for Obama ? 60%, 80 %, 90 %

I know what the percentage is: as long as there is less than 100% support of Obama by white voters, we will always be considered a racist country.

Good luck with that.

If you can't win the argument accuse everyone that disagrees with President Obama that they are a racist. You cheapen the term and lessen the probability that when genuine racism takes place it is taken as seriously as it should be.

Why don't you throw in Pellosi's statement concerning gays in the 70's. You can try to paint those that disagree with President Obama and the Socialists - I mean Democrats - that they are gay basher's too.

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. But I'm sure you sit around and tell each other at the Star how inclusive you are and how only you can bring people of color together, well you and the Democrats. You guys are the ONLY ones bringing up race.

The one screaming racist the loudest in order to STOP a discussion is in fact the only true Racist at the table!

The Left, and particularly urban liberals of color, always pull this race cr*p when they begin to lose support. It is a bit insulting to those of us black conservatives who disagree with Obama policies.

The problem is this will backfire you Lefties. You can't call a significant portion of the populace racists for simple opposition to an idea as far away as health care reform without repercussions.

Mark my words...people are getting fed up and will ultimately throw all the bums out.

I pointed out to you this morning that your percentages were wrong. I even posted a link to CNN that showed the actual percentages.
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Yael, when you post your thread, if you state facts, don't you need to update or acknowledge when your facts are wrong?
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Or do you just move on to your next asinine post?

I just saw all those quotes and couldn't resist:

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people..... it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
John Stuart Mill

All you need to do is to follow the money...

In the most obvious case we have rainbowPUSH. This shakedown organization headed by Jesse Jackson threatens companies within sitins or demonstrations if they don't give it money. Companies do to avoid the publicilty from our lib media like the star.

Secondly, you have many college dept.s with staff and instructors teaching racial "something". These need racism to be rampant to maintain their funding and therefore the libs' in these dept.s jobs.

Finally, sadly, you have "reporters" like YT and Louie and papers like the star who please their bosses by writing or publishing articles with a racial bias. If they didn't, the lib bosses would either fire them or close the paper... How they sleep at night, I don't know...

So, once again, money talks and bs walks...

Oh my Yael, you've been sitting next to Lewis D so long you've gotten to be a racist wolf cryer by osmosis.

Please check to see if there MIGHT be a correlation to Obama's election results and the fact that he had no demonstrated history of executive leadership, no demonstrated history of legislative leadership and no plausible excuse for the types of people he associated with. I'm sure that had nothing to do with those who decided not ot vote for him.

Please drop the race card. Given the election of this president, Affirmative Action hiring is officially dead. Stand on your own two feet and what you have accomplished or get out of the way.

You're almost, but just almost, as sad has former President Carter. And that Sir is SAD!

We hope Obamanation's policies will fail because he's a Red, not because he's partly white, partly black, and partly Arab.

This may be a bit beyond the topic but I just have to say is somewhere.

The Fox News site doesn't have a reader comment section which is typical of the news sites. What does that tell us?

I can say that Fox News panders to a conservative readership. There have been solid studies. By "pandering", I mean they have a nitch. All news agencies "pander", that's there job, to find a market and sell to it. So we know that Fox News articles lean hard to the right.

I did this study myself. People who vote republican choose Fox News as their source of information. Another study demonstrated that all news organizations are excellent at being biased exactly where their readership is biased. The undeniable conclusion is that people choose the news that validates their ideas.

And, we know that the Fox News choice of not having a comment section is because their readership is more comfortable without it. Why do we know this? Because, the Fox executives arent' stupid, they are in the business of selling news and presenting it the way there readers want it. So, the only reasonable conclusion is that the hard right conservatives, and readers of Fox News, don't want to read opposing comments.

And the Fox News tagline is "Fair and balanced"?

On the other hand, to the credit of the Kansas City Star readership, since 1900, the prarie states have had a culture of education. Throught 1960, the prarie states, like Kansas were the leaders in education in America.

I point this out as Kansas has typically voted a little more Republican than Democrat and Republican's are conservative. Yet, here we see commentary that leans in a direction seemingly in opposition to the radical right.

Kudos to The Kansas City Star and their readership for putting intelligence and information above their group identification. I can only hope that, someday, the majority will recognize that were better of improving the Democratic Party than supporting the Republican Party.

Obama received just 40% of the white vote in Kansas, so the Mountain Goat believes that proves whites are racially biased against Obama. I doubt that John Kerry (who could be whiter than Kerry) received much more of the vote white in Kansas. In fact, he may have received even a smaller percentage.

...Yael chooses again not to delete comments that favor his opinion regardless of the name calling and insults. Amazing how that works, isn't?

AWESOME effort at getting web traffic here, Yael.

The Democrat proposal for federal takeover of the heathcare industry is in trouble in congress and even more so with the public despite having played the sympathy card, the fairness card, the guilt card, the emotional re-spin by Obama card, and the other cards in their hand, so its time to play the race card. How conveeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient.

Democrats love playing the race card to the point of wallowing with glee over the prospect; because, first, there is no way to disprove the allegation or any negative for that matter; second, even attempting to disprove it appears like guilt just as answering the question “Do you still beat your wife” does; and third, it is actually true for a tiny percentage of the population and our guilt over past racism makes us all wonder just how extensive it might remain.

All of this despite the fact that America elected a black to the presidency.

The ironic thing is that it is Jimmy stagflation Carter who is leading the attack, because the Obama presidency is more likely to be a replay of Carter’s disastrous presidency than either FDR or LBJ, Obama’s preferred predecessor role models.

The question that Democrats need to answer is this. If J.C. Watts were president, could their vehement opposition to his policies dismantling socialist institutions be fairly laid at the feet of Democrat racism? Before you answer, remember the Clarence Thomas lynching?

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The 'hysterical' aspect of the anti-Obama crowd, the irrational paranoia is the racist fear that America is changing from a white protestant male dominated society to a pluralistic one. The KKK/Bircher hatred against the outsider (Catholics, Jews and Blacks), the 'women belong in the home' ideology, Obama as President marks the end of the "Culture" wars Republicans so happy fought .... and lost.

Now, like the hardline Japanese Nationalists who still believe Japan was the victim of WWII, they can't deal with collapse of their belief system. Polls suggest that 'they' represent about 20% of the population and about 75% of (remaining) Republicans.

Sad bunch.

There is not one of us here or abroad who can truly claim we don't hold some prejudices towards others whether its race, religion, sex, disability, or ethnicity, we all exhibit from one point to the next. That being said race does play significantly with President Obama, the problem is the way certain media outlets portray it makes the divide hard to see. When you have over 70 percent of the so called TEA party protestors running around with very derogatory and hate filled signs waving in the air, it really makes the lunatic fringe stand out more so than people who have a legitimate complaint. So when you see it on TV its like 1950's Alabama at some (that is read some not all!) gatherings. People need to get a grip that it wasn't less than 50 years ago where lynch mobs were still in existence in the south. You can thank the KKK and other groups like them that make it very hard to be Pro White and seen as being racist. And then again there is the history of some of our descendants where we met the Indians and thought they were savages, and look what happened to them when we expanded our lifestyle? Look at the suburban sprawl where mostly whites were moving in huge numbers out into rural areas from cities. It’s not hard to label these actions as racism or more of black fear and this like other social issues like abortion, gay relationships, polygamy are viewed harshly by a lot of us. It just would be nice if the GOP talking heads and elected officials would denounce the ultra right wing nut jobs and the rest of the good minded conservatives with their core values stand out, and likewise the Dem’s do not automatically use the race card, even if it fits sadly to often to a lot of the discourse seen and heard. Maybe if Faux News had more than one black reporter or commentator on TV they might not be criticized as much LOL maybe when pig fly they’ll do that or when GB finally comes out of the closet!
GeorgeM

The story is distorted. What Carter actually said was that "the vast majority" of the attacks on Obama are because he's an African-American. If he had simply said that Obama is affected by the fact that racism is alive and well in this country, that would be correct. He probably gets as much sympathy and support from people (like me) delighted to see an African American in the White House as he does opposition from those who aren't. But Carter didn't "tell the truth." Rather, he dismissed opposition to Obama for whatever reason, on whatever issue, as racism. This is, sadly, one more mistake from a man whose presidency was rejected by the American people, and whose post-presidency has been punctuated far too often by foolishness. I voted for Carter. I think he's honest, hard-working, dedicated and unselfish. But I also have come to realize that he's got poor judgment and little discernment, and is, in fact, essentially a tragic figure. He's currently doing Obama much more harm than good.

faldon1

I want you to know that I am a democrat who did not vote for Obama for President. I voted for Obama when he ran for senate, because I thought it was a good fit. After seeing how he squandered his time in office as a US Senator running for president with no federal political experience, I felt that it was offensive to elect him as ladder climber. Had he proved his mettle as a senator working for the state of Illinois, I would have gladly voted for him as president.

My differences with the president is that he has no fiscal restraint, and although I think his programs are important, I do not wish to bankrupt the country like my state representatives did with the state of Illinois.

For you to call this a racial decision I find offensive. I lived and worked in the inner city of both Detroit and Chicago. I am not a racist person, and find that the term "Racist" is being bandied about more frequently than it ever has. If we do not stop using slanderous terms to define our difference of opinion, we will have a race war like this country has never seen. It is time to step back and treat each other as educated people who are entitled to disagree because of our intellectual viewpoints, and stop calling each other names.

was a statistician. You are the prefect lib you should work for the o directly. By your deep examination of the data the 95% black vote is racist, which I believe is an ignorant assumption given election history. Are the numbers you cited inconsistant with clinton, kerry, and gore numbers? Did you even take the time to check? Where did your results come from?

You like carter are a race baiter and I think you know it and don't care. For you 2+2= whatever you feel like it should.

Carter wasn't talking about Wilson in particular but was just saying generally that racial tensions are a factor in the heat of the rhetoric. If you know anything about Carter's political career, you have to concede he's dealt with this issue before.

Yes, there were chants of "Bush Lied, People Died" during the Bush years. But that was at rallies, not the floor of the U.S. House. And yes, Dems booed Bush during one of the State of the State addresses. But that's not the same as calling him a liar to his face. That should be beneath a congressman.

That said, I think the official reprimand succeeded only in prolonging the debate. Wilson should have been man enough to apologize to his Capitol colleagues, but failing that, better that Congress had let it go.

It's not news that we have various "isms" alive and well in this country. There must be a fear gene in our collective DNA that causes us to make snap judgements about, and lump together, people based on their looks, before we even get to know them.

But for Carter to play the race card here, I think is unfortunate. There's no way to prove it, so offenders simply deny it and counter by playing their own ism card. Even worse, the charge has the effect of shutting down legitimate debate with conservatives who honestly disagree with Obama, and yes, they do exist.

If it's provable, like wage or job discrimnation, then have at it. Otherwise, it just inflames things even more, with some hurling counter-charges and others claiming innocence.

Let's see, so far we've had a total one black person beat up--by Democrat SEIU members. Shouldn't the argument be about how racists democrats are?

And Wilson simply said "You Lie". Whatever bigotry you see see there, you added it yourself (works for Maureen Dowd). And I suppose we're just supposed to forget 8 years of unchecked vitriol directed at bush and be suddenly appalled.

Whenever you hear "racism" being tossed around, you know a liberal is losing an argument.

I grew up in Mississippi (I'm white). Most of the rightwing nut jobs are racists, pure and simple. Carter is from Georgia, and he knows, and he has it exactly right. Of course no one wants to be CALLED a racist, especially racists.

I'm sorry if it wounds your delicate sensitivities, but a political stance that grew out of the utter lies put forward by the white "Citizens' Councils" of the 50s and 60s and out of angry allegiance to a failed flag and a racist confederation can never be given credence and respectability. No matter how much whitewash you dump on it, it is still the same stinking pile of ordure.

It's simple: If you do not want to be called a racist, quit acting like one and quit defending racism. It only takes a little common sense and common decency.

Oh, I see. That's the problem.

Sometimes reading the drivel that some analysts(?) put out makes one really nauseated. Poor Obama is suffering persecution because he's "black" as opposed to "white"? It of course couldn't be because he's plunged the country into financial insolvency or made some pretty bad calls since he took over, or that he's going to push government controlled health care down everyone's throat even though the majority have indicated they are against it? True he's had the help of his cronies in congress, but they aren't particularly liked either if you look at the polls. Must be that they are all "black" huh? Interesting that all the states he quoted didn't vote Democrat in the previous all “white" president elections. Get off the color issue. This country is more color blind then it’s ever been and will continue to judge performance on performance and even less on colour in the years ahead.

First off, I agree with your initial premise. There IS a racial divide in this country, it swings both ways though (95% of black voted for BO).

BUT, if you were to do 5 minutes of research you would see that more people in Utah voted for Barak Obama (33%) than they did for John Kerry (26%). Does that mean that people in Utah are biased against New Englanders or does that mean you really didn't care to do research??

You are labeling entire states as racist without doing any honest research. In the case of Utah, they are predominantly Republican (almost 3 to 1).

Carter made an idiotic statement and Played the Race card and now its blowing up in his face . This is about Policy and not about race The problem is now Obama is getting pulled in and after Van Jones, Skip Gates and the rest his Credibility on the issue is going away . Not to Mention the ACORN disaster .

So what your really saying, Yael, is that the people of color didn't vote for McCain because he is white. They voted for Obama because he is a black man not because of his policies.

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It's difficult to determine who is the bigger idiot, you or Carter. Given the fact Carter has been spreading pathetic drivel longer than you, I suppose he wins the battle between blithering idiots. That said, you still manage to come in a close second, which should give you a true sense of being the younger fool. At the rate you going, you should be able to over-take Jimmy in 20-30 years. The truly sad thing is, years ago, when Billy Carter was still with us, people thought he was the equivalent of pimple on Jimmy's rump. The truth is now known, Billy had much more sense and should have been the democratic nomination for president.