George Harris, Kansas City Star Reader Advisory Panel
Congressman Joe Wilson yelled "You lie" to President Barack Obama in last night's address to Congress and has now been coerced by his own party's leadership into giving an apology to the president. So exactly what did Mr. Wilson apologize for?
The president had already "called out" as liars those who claimed proposed health care reform would create "death panels" and provide health coverage to illegal immigrants. Wasn't Mr. Wilson just returning the accusation? And why is it ok to disrupt a Senator or Congressman at a town hall meeting but not the president during a presidential address?
Answer: It's pretty darned rude in either venue. Especially the one finger salute Mr. Wilson apparently gave the president.
On the other hand, I love watching British Prime Ministers handling the boo birds at a session in their House of Commons. But it's not the tradition here, and the insults in those sessions have an artful quality to them that was lacking in Mr. Wilson's outburst.
Though maybe if we saw our president and members of congress in the give and take of such a debate, there would be less need for citizens to create a scene.
But there has to be someplace for leaders to give an address to the public without undue interruption. Otherwise, elected officials will quit talking to the public in public places and will script every appearance to avoid a fracas. That is the unfortunate impact of incivility and a reason to create venues for uninterrupted speech as well as opportunities for debate.
Another question is whether it's ok to say an opponent is lying when you've got the stage and microphone. I say yes. Congressman Wilson. like President Obama, has every right to say what he thinks. So do ordinary citizens who get to decide whom to believe.
Mr. Wilson, however, doesn't have the bully pulpit of the presidency to speak to the nation. Too bad for him, but he didn't get elected to the presidency and even his own party seems to recognize that not everywhere and anytime are appropriate for some conduct.
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Wilson made something happen
....that wouldn't have if he hadn't called the President a LIAR to his FACE. I wish more elected officials would take Mr. Wilson's example to heart and start a new trend. Call BS when you hear it from the President. He seems to only entertain doing the right thing when he's shamed into it.
The only thing disgraceful that evening were the string of lies that come from the mouth of the POTUS. At least we now know when he's lying ..... his lips move.
What you can do with one finger
Here's the pic. If you don't want to call it a salute, you can call it whatever you want, but it's rude.
http://imgur.com/Fq5oN.jpg
George he DID NOT flip off
George he DID NOT flip off the president. That is an outright lie.
And Rep. Wilson IMMEDIATELY called the White House and apolgized within minutes of the President arriving back home. He spoke first to Rahm and then the next morning to the President personally.
Yes it was rude and against House decorum. Apparently, according to KY3 in Springfield Rahm marched up to Roy Blunt and demanded they make Wilson apologize saying "NO PRESIDENT HAS HAD TO EXPERIENCE THIS"
Obviously forgetting his last few years on Congress and his democrat colleagues hissing and booing Bush.
It was wrong, he knew it and he immediately apologize...I would assume President Bush is still awaiting his apologies for the democrats outbursts.
Apparently, big bad strong savior of the world Obama cant handle dissent.
Let's see who is banished to the netherworld if the democrats cram through government healthcare against the WISHES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Will be fun to see Barack "GOD" Obama deal with a Congress that aren't a bunch of bobble heads and yes men/women
Very nice
Tommie Smith and John Carlos disagree.
Sweet stuff............love the reference. Seems appropriate as well.
George, quite well, "gets it".....and puts a fair, pragmatic interpretation of what really was.....and is. Noticeably absent: partisan ideological pablum. Thank you.
Gotcha
Tommie Smith and John Carlos disagree.
finger pointing
More of a finger pointing than flipping the bird, from the pictures I saw. I suppose it was better than a raised fist though.
So why didn't....
....Obama scratch his middle finger on his cheek after Wilson's shout out? Or maybe dust the dirt off his shoulder when talking about the GOP? That would queue Biden and Pelosi to nod their head up and down and say, "that's right, that's right". I bet he could tell Claire to faint and she would.
How long before Obama turns the chamber into his own personal campaign rally.....
"the one finger salute Mr. Wilson apparently gave"
Did I miss something? Wilson also flipped off Obama?
It has become the custom in
It has become the custom in the United States to listen politely to the President when he addresses Congress. The only approved method of demonstrating ones disagreement is to remain seated when the believers stand and applaud. I hope this will remain the custom, lest we become as unruly and rude as the British House of Commons. Joe Wilson took his finger off of his
"shut-up" button for one second last night and he will have to pay the price. However, the virol unleashed on the blogs by "liberals" since the occurance is just as unruly and rude and adds nothing constructive to the discussion.