By Matthew Schofield, Kansas City Star editorial board columnist
Here's a central problem with the notion of accountability in the matter of CIA interrogations:
It's never going to come. Not really.
It's easy for President Barack Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder to note that the facts of these practices were worse than first thought, and need further scrutiny.
Holder's words: "As attorney general, my job is to examine the facts and follow the law... Given all of the information currently available, it is clear to me that this review is the only responsible course of action for me to take."
CIA interrogators reportedly choked one detainee, and threatened the lives of the children of another.
Okay, those are easy calls. Those things aren't allowed.
But where does this investigation lead? Where can it lead? Does it lead us to the CIA agents alleged to have conducted these interrogations?
Clearly, these agents were wrong.
But that stops well short of the more important question: Why? Why did they conduct such interrogations?
And that answer is not nearly as easy. Post September 11, we've been a nation intent on making sure it never happens again.
The pressure to get information, at any cost, came from everywhere. Clearly, it came from the White House. the rhetoric of President George W.Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney was un-ambiguous. We may have pretended that we didn't know what they were talking about when the President directed the military and CIA to use all means necessary to destroy Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
But that's not true. We knew they were talking about torture. Heck, we celebrated it. Jack Bauer was (is?) only a television character, but he was as close to an intelligence officer as most Americans ever got, and he was cheered on as he ripped out human rights laws as if they were facial tissues (Hell, he once cut off a guy's head to get someone else to talk, didn't he?).
The support for this abhorrent behavior began in the White House and trickled down onto Main Street.
So while it might be easy to find that these agents operated outside the bounds of what should be acceptable, its much tougher to affix blame properly.
Bush is to blame. Cheney is to blame. We're all to blame. We were all in this War on Terror together, and we were all just fine with the idea that whatever was going on was acceptable, for the greater good.
Now, criminally charging a former president for policy decision, no matter how wrong-headed, seems like a step too far. If the Obama abministration charges Bush, doesn't the next GOP administration, or a future one, have to figure out a way to charge Obama, or at least some Democrat?
That's a path to madness. Instead, we collectively apologize, to each other, and promise it will not happen again.
We recommit ourselves to being a nation of law, and a nation that values life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We recommit to the notion that the end does not justify the means. We take the black-eye we gave ourselves, forgive ourselves, and move on.
And we dump the idea of finding stooges for our empire.









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Hey Matt Schofield
Will you be writing anything about the crimes and torture tactics of Islamic fanatics any time soon??? You know a real world comparison between their horrifying tortures practices and what some here call our use of "torture" so people can really see the difference?
No?
I didn't think so.
carlyt - excuse me but I think it was reactive
His recent comments and his previous comments were made reactive to the Obama administration's attempts to criticize/prosecute people who were trying to protect Americans.
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To say that he was "diverting attention" is ridiculous. When someone says you are a criminal, I think you have a right to defend yourself without being accused of "diverting".
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Diverting attention is the liberal method. Seems the liberal health care proposal wasn't going very good - wala - let's talk about getting those bastards that were trying to protect us! But it won't work. People will not let them get away with their socialized medicine.
Time for Cheney to do time
Time for Cheney to face the music. His concern for the men and women of the CIA is about as real as the Bush/Cheney concern was for our troops when they sent them to Iraq. He is only diverting attention from his crimes. There is a related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588
thanks bobob
I'm still cracking up at you. Even funnier that the old dumb and artwil, and that's saying something. Look in the mirror, see a picture of hate in America.
It's bad enough that they want to act like
a banana republic, but they use the timing to turn the heat off of their stupid health care plan.
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They really think the American people are idiots!
thebobbob
get back in your Lazyboy with your teddybear. Now isn't that better?
scapegoats of the empire
Some countries, like Australia, have in their history, stories, incidents that serve as benchmarks of the future, lessons, those “never again” type of experiences.
You mentioned “stooges of the empire” (at first reminding me of Moe, Larry, Curley)…but the book about the Lt. Harry “Breaker” Morant Trial and his execution in 1902 with his fellow officer Lt. Peter Joseph Handcock came to mind…called “Scapegoats of the Empire" by Major George Witton (1907).
Many historically disputable sets of information and versions of this story, but the incident deserves examination in light of today’s scapegoat dilemma…to charge or not to charge?
The second Boer War, a counterinsurgency, serves as historical anchor to the Diggers who serve today in Afghanistan and Iraq. They wouldn’t mind a bit if we borrowed the book.
Tom Ryan
The Crossroads
Americans don't torutre
Repeat after me. America tortures prisoners. Even GW Bush, former liar in chief, couldn't say it. In fact he stood up, looked America in the eye and said, "Americans don't torture!" Of course, it turns out, he was lying. Or maybe because he got his neo-con yes-men to make up a "let's pretend that if The President says do it it's legal" memo, he actually thought it wasn't torture. Even the brain-damaged, ex-alcoholic frat-boy Bush knew that you couldn't say that it's OK to torture prisoners. Maybe he thought that he could hide it forever so he lied.
Repeat after me. America tortures prisoners. Former enemies of the United States were hung for War Crimes because they water-boarded American prisoners. Ask that pansy, Jesse Ventura if he thinks water-boarding is torture? Ask Dick Cheney if it's OK to torture prisoners. Hell yea! If it works!! All the pro's say it doesn't work.
Repeat after me. America tortures prisoners. America tortures prisoners. America tortures prisoners.
Sorry, maybe in your extremist, right-wing "Christian" America but not in my America.
Why wait until the future?
"Now, criminally charging a former president for policy decision, no matter how wrong-headed, seems like a step too far. If the Obama abministration charges Bush, doesn't the next GOP administration, or a future one, have to figure out a way to charge Obama, or at least some Democrat?"
Bill Clinton enacted the extraordinary rendition program in 1995. Michael Scheuer, the CIA agent tasked with impementing that program says that torture took place during the Clinton years.