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No bill that increases the power of Obama and his accomplices over us must be allowed to pass! Palin is right. Palin is not part of the dumbed down population who is ready to believe Obama’s ridiculous fairy tales.

Palin knows that providing coverage for 50 million MORE people and paying for Obama’s armies of bureaucrats to run the Obamacare means further INCREASING THE DEFFICIT and RATIONING HEALTH CARE.

Under the one-payer system (socialized medicine) that Obama and his accomplices plan for us sooner or later, doctors will be working for the government, following government’s orders. In spite of the doublespeak, it’s obvious that the very young and the elderly will be FORCED to sacrifice.

Palin knows about Obama's pro-abortion and pro-infanticide (late-term abortion) stand, as well as the stands of Obama's Health Care Czar Ezekiel Emanuel and Science Czar John Holdren, who has called for population-control policies such as forced abortions, mass sterilizations, and mandatory population controls.

Palin has read the House bill http://www.jeffhead.com/HC-HouseII.pdf. In spite of the bill’s doublespeak, you can see (pages 425-430) that we will be asked to receive end-of-life (death) counseling when we turn 65.

‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include--

‘(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;

‘(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order;

‘(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a health care proxy).

‘(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State--

‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and
‘(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).

‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that--

‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;

‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;

‘(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment;
‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.
‘(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is--

‘(A) a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)); and

‘(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant who has the authority under State law to sign orders for life sustaining treatments.

‘(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).

‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.

‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that--

'(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals and providers across the continuum of care;

‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;

‘(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary);

‘(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.

‘(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to LIMIT SOME OF ALL OR SPECIFIED INTERVENTIONS. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items--

‘(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;

‘(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;

‘(iii) the use of antibiotics;

‘(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.’

Looks like insults and name calling directed at Ross continue as before. Yet criticize the editorial board and your comment gets deleted.

Your credibility has dwindled to almost zero here lately. Is that now your purpose on MV?

Please source your quote. It can't be all that hard. Unless of course you are making it up.

Just a quick fact check. Ross Balano is one of the highest paid insurance company lobbiest in Washington and a former staff member of the McCain/Palan presidential campaign. I would be highly skeptical given Ross's bias. I recommend that people read the bill(s) directly instead of relying on someone with such questionable background.

Would you please attribute that quote to somebody so I know who to be mad at?

Otherwise it just sounds like disinformation, since Google is only turning up your post and a couple of linkbacks to it at freerepublic.

Palin is publicly in favor of death panels!
The proof is still up on the Alaska state web site: http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1094&type=6

Gingrich himself also explicitly suggested for Medicare _exactly_ the provision being debated in this bill: http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/08/12/newt-gingrich-changes-whats-left-of-his-mind-on-end-of-life-care/

My PRIVATE health insurance has coverage for some end-of-life planning consultation! Should that be outlawed -- or just not offered to people who can't afford it? I can't figure out what these politicians stand for. Does anyone want to explain it to me? Is this just a game? I am looking for someone interested in a rational conversation to justify this whole seemingly nonsensical exchange to me.

Mr. Balano, would you kindly provide the name of individual to whom your quote is attributed? I am dying to know who said it, and would like to research the remark.

As a columnist, you no doubt are aware that it is important and appropriate to provide this information, lest you compromise your own credibility.

I await your response.

The only Americans who support Obamacare are those who have been dumbed down by a substandard and politicized education as per the warnings of Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov.

In 1985, Bezmenov told us that our enemies were working hard at brainwashing us (dumbing us down) and would succeed if we did not defend our principles: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

The dumbed down are obviously unable to understand that Obamacare will further contribute to "the American descent into Marxism," which "is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple…" http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

Fortunately, as we can see in the town halls, most Americans have NOT been dumbed down!

How many times did Oslama say he didn't want to "kill grandma off"!?? Well it sure is funny, if it was never in the bill, how could it get removed????? The Dems have been trying to pass this insurance takeover for the last 50 years, let's give them another good 50 years of fight. This is their hardon, who ever can get this passed it the King of the Castle. Did anyone ever ask why if this gets passed, why it won't take effect until 2013. Because soon as everyone starts loosing their benefits, you won't be able to hang this on the great Mesiah!!! See ya at the next town hall meeting....

Obama and his accomplices say they'll remove end-of-life provisions. But we can't turst them! They'll say they'll remove those provisions and add them under another doublespeak name, like "continuation-of-life" provisions.

No bill that increases the power of Obama and his czars over us must be allowed to pass!

Palin was right. Palin is not part of the dumbed down population who is ready to believe Obama’s ridiculous fairy tales. She knows that providing coverage for 50 million MORE people and paying for Obama’s armies of bureaucrats to run the Obamacare means further INCREASING THE DEFFICIT and RATIONING HEALTH CARE.

Under the one-payer system (socialized medicine) that Obama and his accomplices plan for us sooner or later, doctors will be working for the government, following government’s orders. In spite of the doublespeak, it’s obvious that the very young and the elderly will be FORCED to sacrifice.

Palin knows about Obama's pro-abortion and pro-infanticide (late-term abortion) stand, as well as the stands of Obama's Health Care Czar Ezekiel Emanuel and Science Czar John Holdren, who has called for population-control policies such as forced abortions, mass sterilizations, and mandatory population controls.

Palin read the House bill http://www.jeffhead.com/HC-HouseII.pdf. In spite of the bill’s doublespeak, you can see (pages 425-430) that they were going to force us to receive end-of-life (death) counseling when we turn 65.

The verbiage about voluntary end of life discussion was dropped because the noisiest american people are so freakin' stupid.

They listened to the likes of Palin, Beck, et. al. (who aren't so stupid - just want to derail proposals that have anything to do with Obama), and decided to attend town hall meetings and scream and holler like idiots about death panels.

I really worry about the level of intelligence in this country. We can't hope to compete in a global economy with the level of stupidity that is being displayed every day.

The comments from the left in the House are the first I've seen that actually address what the proposed plans are really about.

The left keeps talking about improving healthcare but the current proposals are about providing health insurance to everyone, not healthcare. I have yet to see any proposals about improving healthcare in America.

Even the President has only said that the improvements in healthcare; as in lower costs, better availability, and addressing pre-existing conditions; will magically happen after the proposed universal health insurance proposal has been in place for awhile.

Ross,
Perhaps before marching into any “-isms”, wherever they may be, we can take some time to appreciate where we stand today, here in Kansas City…this is a wonderful part of the nation.

Your concerns and fears, while very real in your intellect, really seem quite foreign and imaginary to me. Newt is just an overweight retired guy living in Virginia. Sarah Palin is now a writer and speaker. Death Panels sounds like a great title for a sci-fi book, hopefully optioned series on HBO, screenplay by the folks who crafted Six Feet Under…

Real clinics exist for this final choice purpose, even for willing tourists. It’s an uncomfortable subject, certainly, and seems so strange in light of all those struggling to attain access to health care, as well as to those struggling to pay their way…

…ahhhh…the Kingdom of Fear (by Hunter S. Thompson)

Tom Ryan
The Crossroads

from Paul Krugman....

'The provision requiring that Medicare pay for voluntary end-of-life counseling was introduced by Senator Johnny Isakson, Republican — yes, Republican — of Georgia, who says that it’s “nuts” to claim that it has anything to do with euthanasia.

And not long ago, some of the most enthusiastic peddlers of the euthanasia smear, including Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, and Mrs. Palin herself, were all for “advance directives” for medical care in the event that you are incapacitated or comatose. That’s exactly what was being proposed — and has now, in the face of all the hysteria, been dropped from the bill.'