George Harris, Kansas City Star Reader Advisory Panel
Congressman Roy Blunt came to The Star's editorial board meeting today to discuss health care. The discussion was lively, and Mr. Blunt deserves respect for his effort to craft a proposal consistent with his values.
But his presentation was marred by assertions that were more opinion than fact and by proposals that lacked enough detail to allow evaluation. There were many questions by those present, but I will focus on questions I asked.
One of the Congressman's statements was a bold assertion that doctors find dealing with Medicare as difficult as dealing with insurance companies. I stated from first hand experience as a psychologist in private practice that this is not my opinion. To his credit, Mr. Blunt acknowledged that I may have more direct understanding of the Medicare and insurance company billing process than he does, and by extension that my opinion is my opinion.
I don't believe that either Mr. Blunt or I have a reliable survey of service providers in various specialties to claim to have a valid opinion on what doctors in general believe. All providers grumble about reimbursement rates, but that is true about Medicare and private insurance rates.
Mr. Blunt also offered the opinion that 80% of Americans are happy with their private insurance. As I recall, it was David Helling who said in the meeting that people seemed to be very satisfied with the government Medicare system as well.
I pointed out that the 80% statistic about satisfaction levels is meaningless. Surveys in Canada, Britain and France also show that over 80% of the people are satisfied with their systems. A more meaningful survey would be to ask people who have had a serious medical problem (cancer, heart disease, etc.) how satisfied they are with their insurance. Nobody worries about his/her insurance until it is needed for a problem. Then the fat gets thrown into the fire.
My guess (and it's just a guess because I don't have clear data either) is that people who have serious medical problems and get denied benefits or have to pay large deductibles or get befuddled trying to figure out the complicated blizzard of paperwork they accompanies illness would rate their insurance unfavorably.
I don't know with certainty how Americans with serious health concerns look at their insurance compared to Canadians with serious health problems. I do know that many bankruptcies in America occur in families who do, in fact, have health insurance and that this is not a major problem in Canada, Britain or France.
But it was Mr. Blunt's response to my criticism that was most revealing. He said, anecdotally, that he has had serious medical problems and that he was very satisfied with his health care.
The response revealed two major areas of confusion. First, a patient's satisfaction level with his/her health care is not the same as satisfaction with the health care payment system. The first could be great, the second awful.
More significantly, Mr. Blunt has the finest health care insurance money can buy, and he's a member of Congress. Does he really think the insurance company (or the health care provider) would do anything but treat him as a VIP?
Of course Mr. Blunt is likely to be satisfied with how he's treated.
But ask John Doe who does not have a vote in Congress how his insurance company treats him when he has an expensive illness. Mr. Blunt confuses (or conflates) his experience with what the average American gets.
Another careless statement by Mr. Blunt detracted from his presentation.
He commented that anyone could buy a Blue Cross/Blue Shield policy for $500 to $600 per month. (At least this is what I thought he said. There is a video of the meeting, and I would like to verify exactly what Mr. Blunt did say.)
In any event, I confronted Mr. Blunt with my experience.
First, no, many people can't get insurance at any price because of preexisting conditions. Second, there are high risk insurance pools in Missouri and Kansas, but these plans cost $1,500 per month, and they provide poor coverage.
Mr. Blunt said that his plan provided the opportunity for individuals to buy coverage in high risk pools, but I never understood how his proposal was different from the current system of high risk pools created by the states. It is possible that this is better explained in his written proposal, which I have not seen.
Another assertion Mr. Blunt made seems to be based on beliefs and not data. He said that people should make some co-payment for health care because people "value what they pay for." This statement struck me as a belief that could apply to some transactions but not necessarily health care. For example, do we believe that people who have intense pain and need a root canal "value" the pain relief more if they pay $100 for the procedure? I doubt it.
I believe Mr. Blunt was getting at something else. The position that people should make co-pays is often offered to argue that this would reduce over-utilization of services. But does anyone believe that people will go get an extra colonoscopy just because the co-pay is low? I doubt it. But this isn't really my point. I believe Mr. Blunt has the obligation to offer evidence that his beliefs and proposals based on those beliefs are supported by evidence. He didn't do it, at least in the meeting I attended.
With respect to the passage of health care legislation, Mr. Blunt argued that it would be a mistake for the Senate to pass any health care legislation that would affect the entire country without significant agreement.
He said Democrats shouldn't pass such legislation without 70 votes. But what percent of major legislation in the last 50 years has been passed with 70 votes? How many votes authorized the Social Security Administration? Anyone want to guess? Mr. Blunt's assertion is what the minority party always says to try to prevent legislation they don't like.
At the end of the editorial board meeting, I asked Mr. Blunt if he would agree to a debate with proponents of a single payer system. A local chapter of the Physicians for National Health Program (PNHP.org) exists with medical doctors who have studied the health care system and the health care payment system. Their proposal is backed with incredible detail and data. This debate would likely be picked up and broadcast by local and state-wide media. I would be happy to help organize the event.
Mr. Blunt was courteous and asked for my business card. All we need is a date from him for the debate.







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Jen, Do you think Mr. Blunt has his mind made up also ?
Me too.
Reading Mr. Harris`s post suggests that if he learned of benefits of different treatment approaches he would change and adapt - thats what doctors do. Mr. Blunt has not shown this at any time during his political career but again - that's what some politicians do. Or at least Mr. Blunt.
And by the way - What President Obama wants ... is good for us.
Eliminating war, protecting our economy and environment, are GOOD things - not something to be sold to the highest bidder.
The Star's editorial board has their own agenda and their minds and keyboards are firmly in agreement with whatever Obama wants. And George's column pretty much reads like his mind was made up before this meeting even started and he wasn't going to listen to anything Blunt had to say.
Why not print the transcript of this meeting? The public doesn't get an accurate and unfiltered portrayal of the candidate or the people asking the questions.
SS may not be a good example
I should have picked a better example than Soc Security. However, it appears that in 1935, there were 69 Democrats, 25 Republicans and 1 other. I'm not sure there were filibuster procedures then either, so there would be no point in Republicans not voting for something that was going to pass anyway and benefit so many people.
Votes on important issues in the last administration are better examples of the things passed by less than 70 Senate votes.
George--credit to you for
George--credit to you for what sounds like a thoughtful discussion. For further reading, here's an organization of over 14,000 doctors who not only find dealing with Medicare far easier than dealing with private insurance, they are organizing to get a single-payer system.
Something, perhaps, to ask Blunt about next time:
http://www.pnhp.org/
(Link goes to Physicians for a National Health Program.)
And, while it's true that the SSA initially passed with a large majority, one wonders if Blunt applied the same standard of "70 votes" to any of the bills passed in the first six years of the Bush Administration--Medicare Part D, for example, seen largely as a boondoggle for the insurance companies had a very close vote in the House (the Senate was less contentious). Was Blunt principled enough to vote against that, given how close the vote was?
true
http://www.ssa.gov/history/tally.html
70 votes
Actually, the Social Security Act was originally passed with 77 votes in the Senate. Medicare and Medicaid originally passed with 70 votes in the Senate. Rather than inviting your readers to guess, Mr. Harris, you might have better advanced your point of view by looking up the facts yourself. Had you done that, you would have also saved yourself the embarrassment of citing the example you did.
Who does Mr Blunt really represent?
The Blunt family business is "lobbying", which goes hand in hand with their other family business which is "politics". Therefore, everything Congressman Roy Blunt says, or does, must be examined with a great deal of intensity. Although we would hope that he represents ordinary citizens and has their concerns uppermost in mind, we must continually try to find out which industries benefit the most from his votes.
I would be remiss if I did not add that many politicians have family members involved in lobbying, and their own retirement plans are often predicated on acquiring such a job for themselves. Unfortunately, that's just the way it is.
I want to know....
...if Yael asked Blunt about Rush Limbaugh (he's awfully proud of that question).
The Star's editorial board has their own agenda and their minds and keyboards are firmly in agreement with whatever Obama wants. And George's column pretty much reads like his mind was made up before this meeting even started and he wasn't going to listen to anything Blunt had to say.
Why not print the transcript of this meeting? The public doesn't get an accurate and unfiltered portrayal of the candidate or the people asking the questions.
gold plated coverage?
Don't they just have access to the same Federal Employees Health Benefits Program that all Federal employees can get?
Congress dropping its gold plated coverage?
Sure, I think Senators and Representatives should live like the rest of us. I'm sure my "demand" will carry a lot of weight :)
George....
If Obama Care passes, are you going to demand that Congress drop its gold-plated healthcare and join the rest of us?