By Barb Shelly, Kansas City Star editorial page columnist
Who can blame George Tiller's family for declining to re-open his clinic? They understand that to do so would put more more physicians and staff at risk of harassment, threats and bodily harm.
But the clinic's closing means the killer has achieved his objective. That's a thought akin to an open wound. The decision also means, for Kansas women in crisis, a yawning gap between abortion clinics in the Kansas City area and Denver.
The only positive development that would come out of the tragedy would be the departure of Operation Rescue from Kansas.
"We have worked very hard for this day, but we wish it would have come through the peaceful, legal channels that we were pursuing," Troy Newman, the organization's president, said Tuesday. "We believe we were very close to seeing disciplinary action taken against Tiller's license that would have closed this clinic through due process."
Not all the group's channels were peaceful. Operation Rescue publicized the names and addresses of staffers who worked at Tiller's clinic. For a while, they went so far as to send residents postcards alerting them to the fact that a neighbor was involved with abortions. Read this 2004 piece from Rolling Stone for more about Operation Rescue's tactics.
As for the claim that the group was close to getting Tiller's license revoked by the Kansas Board of Healing Arts, let's not forget that, time and time again, "evidence" of wrongdoing turned up by Operation Rescue was found to be baseless. I'll predict that whatever the Board of Healing Arts was examining was more of the same.
Scott Roeder, the Kansas City-area man accused of shooting Tiller to death in his church, apparently is already bored in jail, because he keeps encouraging interviews with the news media. He doesn't like the food and he finds his quarters a bit chilly.
WE Blog, the Wichita Eagle's opinion blog, shrewdly notes the irony of a guy who didn't think he needed to pay taxes now moaning about the kind of services he's receiving from the state.









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Arminius: "And you just limited your list to the top 25 newspapers in the country (the Star is not on that list). If you consider all the newspapers in the country, you'll find many more that are on the Internet and have growing circulation numbers."
I'll find? Show me the numbers. Use your connections in the publishing industry. Put the data where your mouth is.
back it up
Ok, Arminiius, then cite some actual facts. I'm not denying your claim, but I'm also not believing it without data. "I'm in the publishing business" doesn't cut it. Not does making an infantile joke about name.
BigStink
You supplied the facts yourself, moonbat. I said that there are newspapers in the country that have experienced positive growth or that have not seen there numbers drop by the same percentage as the Star. You then went on to note that the WSJ's circulation grew, thus confirming my comment. And you just limited your list to the top 25 newspapers in the country (the Star is not on that list). If you consider all the newspapers in the country, you'll find many more that are on the Internet and have growing circulation numbers.
Bab's, you continue to
Bab's, you continue to drivel on about how horrible one man's death is, yet refuse to share your feelings on the tens of thousands of lives lost to his surgical instruments. His death was a tragedy, as many have exclaimed here and elsewhere, because no man or woman has the right to end someones life simply because of difference in opinion on a hot topic issue. Although I see you are passionate about this, it clearly shows how biased and unreliable a reporter you truely are. You continue to try and vilify all pro-lifers and raise on high those who take the life of unborn children.
You know, FOX News and Bill O'Reilly have you and your newspaper in it's sights... I hope he snipes this paper down, and it goes down hard.
Look Out!
You know, FOX News and Bill O'Reilly have you and your newspaper in it's sights... I hope he snipes this paper down, and it goes down hard.
How is Bill's ability to aim? Maybe they should get Dick Cheney instead.
LOL
You know, FOX News and Bill O'Reilly have you and your newspaper in it's sights... I hope he snipes this paper down, and it goes down hard.
How is Bill's ability to aim? Maybe they should get Dick Cheney instead.
I though Dick retired the guns?
I know, it was a stupid shot, but I guess sarcasm is hard to come through on a blog, eh? :)
circulation
Arminius claims: "There are other newspapers in the country that are also available on the Internet, yet their circulation numbers are either up or have not dropped by the same percentage as the Star."
Here's some actual data, not idle speculation, from a little over a month ago:
"The rate of decline in print circulation at the nation’s newspapers has accelerated since last fall, as industry figures released Monday show a more than 7 percent drop compared with the previous year, while another recent analysis showed that newspaper Web site audiences had increased 10.5 percent in the first quarter.
Of the top 25 newspapers in the United States, all posted declines in circulation except for The Wall Street Journal, which eked out a 0.6 percent gain, according to figures released by the Audit Bureau of Circulations. For the others, the declines ranged from 20.6 percent for The New York Post, to a slight 0.4 percent drop for The Chicago Sun-Times."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/business/media/28paper.html
BigStink
Here's some actual data, not idle speculation, from a little over a month ago:
"The rate of decline in print circulation at the nation’s newspapers has accelerated since last fall, as industry figures released Monday show a more than 7 percent drop compared with the previous year, while another recent analysis showed that newspaper Web site audiences had increased 10.5 percent in the first quarter.
Of the top 25 newspapers in the United States, all posted declines in circulation except for The Wall Street Journal, which eked out a 0.6 percent gain, according to figures released by the Audit Bureau of Circulations. For the others, the declines ranged from 20.6 percent for The New York Post, to a slight 0.4 percent drop for The Chicago Sun-Times."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/business/media/28paper.html
That's all true. However, it does not contradict my contention, which was not idle speculation. I'm in the publishing business and closely follow the trends.
Oops Sorry
That should be "Osama and Obama". I get confused over the two, as each are about as harmful to the country as is the other.....
Understandable
The only difference between Obama and Osama is a little bs.
Absolutely
Thats what Obama and Obama have in common, friends who attempted to blow up the Pentagon!
BTW Babsy, what did you think of the murder of Private Long?
don't take it too hard
Hey darroby, your attempt to change the subject from Tiller's murder (understandable, since being associated with a terrorist must be unpleasant) is a bust:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090610/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_chrysler
Apparently the Supremes think you don't know what you're talking about.
You Should Know Terrorists bigsteve...
your messiah, the big 0, has a good friend who is one, Bill Ayres.... I know how you must feel being associated with such a person and I feel your pain...
[laughing]
my god, kcgrunt, you are such a dimwit! lol!
history lesson
darroby wrote:
"Obama is not a king or emperor. He is an elected official in the executive branch and as such, is explicitly prohibited from bypassing the Judicary or Legislative branches of the government."
Maybe you should do a little reading on the recent Bush presidency and his abuse of executive power. "If the president does it, it can't be against the law" was the rule then.
Unless you opposed to the recent explosion of executive power, your outrage rings hollow.
Care to share what these "abuses of power" were?
"Obama is not a king or emperor. He is an elected official in the executive branch and as such, is explicitly prohibited from bypassing the Judicary or Legislative branches of the government."
Maybe you should do a little reading on the recent Bush presidency and his abuse of executive power. "If the president does it, it can't be against the law" was the rule then.
Unless you opposed to the recent explosion of executive power, your outrage rings hollow.
Liberals can claim all they want that Bush "abused" executive power...But I do not recall any court decisions saying he abused power only liberal whiners.
Plus I do not recall Bush taking over private companies, establishing a pay tzar for private companies, orchestrating the firing of the ceo of a private company, pushing a company to sell out to a foreign competitor in under a month, making sure that unsecured debtors like unions got first dibs in bankruptcy rather than the LEGAL path of secured debtors receiving first dibs.
I could go on but that should wet your whistle.
your ignorance
your ignorance does not constitute evidence, Rocky.
"Accordingly, the fourth amendment . . . requires reasonableness in all searches. It also requires prior warrants for any reasonable search based upon prior existing probable cause . . . and the interposition of a mutual magistrate between executive branch enforcement officers and citizens."
"’There are no hereditary kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution,’ Taylor said in the 44-page ruling.” The judge also ruled that the administration violated a 1978 law requiring that warrants be issued by a secret court for “for eavesdropping on individuals or suspects in the United States.”
http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/judge-rules-bush-domestic-wiretap-program/
Babs, you are one sorry excuse of a 'journalist'
And the Star is a sorry excuse for a 'newspaper'. You have been yammering on about Tiller for ten straight days. I doubt the Star in whatever incarnation it was in then, gave that much space to JFK when he was killed. A single individual was responsible for murdering Tiller. People who are Pro-Life DO NOT CONDONE THE MURDER OF ANYONE, NOT EVER. You, Hendricks, the rest of the Editorial Board, and your paid flunkies that post your rabid leftist drivel are the ones who, as a group, are attempting to destroy the reputation and defame the character of every single person who is Pro-Life for the actions of a single individual. That individual DOES NOT IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER represent the views or actions of any other Pro-Life person or organization. Tiller was NOT a hero, he was NOT a saint, and he most certainly did NOT save lives, he ended them. The Star is showing itself to be severly lacking any ethical or jounalistic standards in relation to this story.
In the meantime the Star has almost completely ignored two seperate very important stories.
The first was the cold blooded murder of a young soldier, on leave after basic training, outside the recruiting office in his hometown, by a recent muslim convert out to kill as many soldiers as possible in his own private jihad. It is possible that he is part of a larger terrorist group.
The second is a story that significantly affects every single American citizen and profoundly affects the future of the country. Yesterday Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg put a stay on the the sale of Chrysler's assets to Fiat. There are two issues that the Supreme Court is being asked to address. First TARP funds, which were supposed to go ONLY to banks were used to bail out Chrysler and GM, that was an unconstitutional act. Obama violated the Constitution of the United States when he gave them TARP funds. Secondly, Obama illegally ignored, and pressured the lower court to ignore, established precedent for bankruptcy law in allowing assets that were used to secure Senior Secured Corporate Bonds to be sold to Fiat and the money given illegally to the UAW. In turn the UAW gave up almost nothing. If left to stand this will set a legal precedent that NO LEGAL CONTRACT IN THE US IS SAFE FROM BEING BROKEN BY THE PRESIDENT. No matter how much he wants to be, and how much the MSM want's him to be, Obama is not a god, Obama is not a "messiah", Obama is not a king or emperor. He is an elected official in the executive branch and as such, is explicitly prohibited from bypassing the Judicary or Legislative branches of the government.
darroby
Then one thing is abundantly clear -- there are a considerable number of anti-choice extremists out here who are not at all pro-life by your definiton.
Barb, Have you ever heard of the procedure known as a C-Section?
Women at risk in the latter trimester of their pregnancies have an option. They have always had an option. It's called a C-Section. This procedure, thankfully, also provides an opportunity for their child to live rather than die. If there is to be choice, why not give the benefit of that choice to both mother and child. I have seen first hand the bittersweet love of giving a baby up for adoption and the grace that results. There are too many businesses now brokering live human babies in order to put children into the loving arms of families who yearn for a child. Society has created an industry of baby birthying and buying. All because of RvW. Barb, the closing of the Tiller clinic is not as sad as you claim. His death was tragic, yes, and an end to a sad, pitiful chapter in Kansas history. The closing of this clinic should be viewed as a new beginning. Almost like the birth of a new baby. Babies are good.
Cry me a river.
Pro-abortion drivel like this column is why the Star is about to fold. Babs, Rolling Stone really isn't an objective reference for pro-life information. Like the Star, it presents opinion as news.
True
The Star has to understand that it serves residents of two RED states. It's fine to challenge your conservatives and their beliefs. However, Barb and the other liberals on the editorial board go out of their way to insult a large percentage of their potential readership base. They can offer the excuse that their nimbers are down because of the Internet and the economy, but the daily insults hurled at conservatives is having, in my opinion, a much greater detrimental impact of paid circulation.
Well, Duh!
You are reading the Star on the internet for free just like the rest of us, and yet you wonder why the paid circulation numbers are down. Horse-and-buggy sales are also down compared to what they used to be. Rumor has it that they have been affected by a new invention, the automobile. Nah, that's impossible.
That's an excuse
You are reading the Star on the internet for free just like the rest of us, and yet you wonder why the paid circulation numbers are down. Horse-and-buggy sales are also down compared to what they used to be. Rumor has it that they have been affected by a new invention, the automobile. Nah, that's impossible.
That's largely an excuse. There are other newspapers in the country that are also available on the Internet, yet their circulation numbers are either up or have not dropped by the same percentage as the Star. I would venture that the Star's actual readership (dead wood and online) is down significantly from two decades ago. Its Sunday paid circulation was 414,689 in 1989. (It's difficult to compare the rest of the week since there was both the Times and the Star then, with the Times having about 100,000 more subscribers than the Star.) With the total households in the market then at 648,217, the Star had a household penetration rate of 64% on Sundays. The most recent ABC numbers place the Star's Sunday paid circulation at 333,006. The households number (as of the 2000 census) is now 833,604, meaning the household penetration rate is now 40%. In order for the Star to have a 64% household penetration rate today, it would need 533,506 subscribers on Sunday. Do you really believe 200,000 households read the Star online on Sundays?
Fail
The Star has to understand that it serves residents of two RED states. It's fine to challenge your conservatives and their beliefs. However, Barb and the other liberals on the editorial board go out of their way to insult a large percentage of their potential readership base. They can offer the excuse that their nimbers are down because of the Internet and the economy, but the daily insults hurled at conservatives is having, in my opinion, a much greater detrimental impact of paid circulation.
The Star serves mainly Kansas City. If you examine the results of the November election, you will discover that both the 5th congressional district in MO and the 3rd in Kansas (which are in the KC area served by The Star) voted for Obama.
Not exactly red.
The few conservatives who post here don't reflect the 'nimber' of readers in the metro area that the paper serves.
Try again.
You missed the point
The Star has to understand that it serves residents of two RED states. It's fine to challenge your conservatives and their beliefs. However, Barb and the other liberals on the editorial board go out of their way to insult a large percentage of their potential readership base. They can offer the excuse that their nimbers are down because of the Internet and the economy, but the daily insults hurled at conservatives is having, in my opinion, a much greater detrimental impact of paid circulation.
The Star serves mainly Kansas City. If you examine the results of the November election, you will discover that both the 5th congressional district in MO and the 3rd in Kansas (which are in the KC area served by The Star) voted for Obama.
Not exactly red.
The few conservatives who post here don't reflect the 'nimber' of readers in the metro area that the paper serves.
Try again.
The Star cannot maintain its circulation numbers with just residents in Kansas City (many of whom cannot or will not read). It needs readers from outside the KC Metro area. Those readers (including those in Johnson County) tend to be in red areas of both Missouri and Kansas. If you insult these readers on a daily basis, you will lose subscribers.
I know a publisher in Lawrence, Kan., who is a conservative, yet his readership has grown during the past years. He doesn't go out of his way to insult the liberal majority in Lawrence.
Who would that be?
Do you have a link?