Don't ask-don't tell, don't stall any longer

Are there rules about staying on topic? There are also rules about not calling other people names, how is that working out?

Talk about "stamping his little foot". Heh.

Grinch quotes Fratto (a disinterested observer ... yeah right) stamping his little foot, demanding skepticism from the press over yesterday's job numbers. This is from MSNBC's First Read this morning:

"Yesterday, the administration attempted to jump-start the media in its coverage of the stimulus. It didn't go so well. After prolonged questioning about the White House briefing, Obama officials admitted the initial claim of 150,000 jobs saved or created is based on a mathematical formula, "tried and true" claimed Biden economic adviser Jared Bernstein. And, in time, they may be proved correct. But we won't know for sure until the end of the quarter, when they match up real data with their statistical models."

I'm still waiting for an apology.

This thread is not about unemployment numbers.

rockslide said: "So let's see Obama says he is against gay marriage and not a peep from the Obama lovin crowd they blame everything on the republicans and Bush..."

This reminds me of the comments wondering why there are no anti-terrorist comments from Muslims. What is your source, rockslide, for listening to what Obama supporters are saying?

I'll say it right now: I think Obama is wrong to oppose gay marriage. I understand why he takes that position (politics is the art of the possible etc.), but I'd like to see more leadership there.

This thread is actually not about gay marriage but 'don't ask, don't tell.' In fact Olberman and especially Maddow have been hammering the president on that every night. They are also critical of Obama on other matters (his reluctance to address the torture issue, for example).

The point is that people who support Obama generally HAVE criticized and DO criticize him on specific issues.

From the Wall Street Journal today (to twas' point):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124451592762396883.html

Excerpts:

Mr. Obama's comments yesterday are a perfect illustration of just such a claim. In the months since Congress approved the stimulus, our economy has lost nearly 1.6 million jobs and unemployment has hit 9.4%. Invoke the magic words, however, and -- presto! -- you have the president claiming he has "saved or created" 150,000 jobs. It all makes for a much nicer spin, and helps you forget this is the same team that only a few months ago promised us that passing the stimulus would prevent unemployment from rising over 8%.

Now, something's wrong when the president invokes a formula that makes it impossible for him to be wrong and it goes largely unchallenged. It's true that almost any government spending will create some jobs and save others. But as Milton Friedman once pointed out, that doesn't tell you much: The government, after all, can create jobs by hiring people to dig holes and fill them in.

If the "saved or created" formula looks brilliant, it's only because Mr. Obama and his team are not being called on their claims. And don't expect much to change. So long as the news continues to repeat the administration's line that the stimulus has already "saved or created" 150,000 jobs over a time period when the U.S. economy suffered an overall job loss 10 times that number, the White House would be insane to give up a formula that allows them to spin job losses into jobs saved.

So let's see Obama says he is against gay marriage and not a peep from the Obama lovin crowd they blame everything on the republicans and Bush....yet with the sweep of a pen over legislation from Congress, Obama could legalize it. He has not.

Obama says he is going to look at gays in the military and now has seemingly flip flopped as his administration asked the SCOTUS to reject the case....not a peep from the crowd only to blame conservatives for the lack of openly gay soliders. Yet with the sweep of a pen over legislation he could legalize it.

So see a pattern here...he promises one thing, does another or nothing and not a peep save for blame of the previous administration.

One more for good measure....since he has come into power the country has lost over a million jobs (not his fault per say) yet he claims yesterday he has saved or created 150,000 jobs...an outright fabrication because there is no metric, no tracking, nothing to come up with "saved jobs" In fact, I believe a reporter even teed it up to the Treasury chair that using this language they have essentially set up a political cover where they can never be wrong...because they can claim "saved" jobs. Some same exaggeration, some say fluff, others would say outright bs LIES.

Not a peep from the crowd about the man who can change and do anything now....and yet everyone still blames the previous administration and the minority party members of congress.

gotta love it. Only in America would we spend 8 years being told to listen to the foreign press and be more like Europe....and now they are talking about how Obama is driving the US toward Marxism and the conservatives in Europe are sweeping to power and now we are being told to disregard all that...nothing to see here.

What is the difference between sexual identity and sexual preference?

He said during his campaign he supports the eventual repeal of the policy, but hasn't been in any hurry to do something about it.

Heh.

No, Lezzie, it's not. Given your name, I assumed you'd understand.

Barb wrote: "...as long as their sexual identity remains under wraps..."

Please explain this to me...If a man is a man, isn't that his "identity"? Isn't this about sexual "preference"?

Thanks for staying on topic, darroby.

A deafening silence, or is it an implosion, of the Star's Editorial Board over Justice Ginsburg's stay of the sale of Chrysler to Fiat? Who to blame, who to blame? Can't blame Ginsburg who is currently the most rabid liberal on the Supreme Court. Can't blame Obama for subverting the constitution, after all he's the "Messiah". Can't blame the UAW for being greedy, we always favor the union over the law. What a conumdrum.

My guess. They will blame the pensioners who dared to file a case that goes against the commands of their "Messiah", even though BO/BW/NC's plan screws the pension plans for a couple of other unions.

Just make them declare upfront, then exclude them.