Don’t let mainstream media mislead you about Tiller murder.

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As usual, the left is going off the deep end. There is no one responsible for the murder of Dr. Tiller except for the shooter.
Wasn't it the left who told everyone that you can't blame music, video games or Hollywood movies for the violence young people commit? Did anyone blame Al Gore or the environmentalists when the Unibomber was blowing things up, or gas-guzzling SUV dealerships were being torched, or trees being spiked so whoever tried to cut them down could be hurt or killed? It's called personal responsibility.

sonofrogue said: "By the definition of the term, pro life folks do not condone murder. (Now before the usual suspects again start to rant, executions of murderers, rapists, etc. does not qualitfy as the same as taking the life of an innocent child)."

But haven't you been saying for years that Tiller was a murderer? And wasn't he just executed on Sunday? So in other words you're ok with that?

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In no way, shape or form can anyone justify, make excuses for or condone what this man did yesterday morning. He murdered another human being over political beliefs. That is the absolute polar opposite of everything this country is supposed to stand for.

Do I believe i abortion, no.

But in no way can anyone say that he had it coming, or he deserved it or this psychopath was on the right track.

Just as wrong is to broadbrush paint all people who are against abortion as being accomplices.

I believe there are sometimes when an abortion is probably better than the life that child may lead if carried to term. I believe there may actually be a situation where a pregancy can endanger the mother's life to the point that full term would mean dead mother and baby.

But I do not believe, just as there is never a reason to murder another person in cold blood, that an abortion of a 21+ week old baby that is viable outside the womb is ever warranted.

What happened yesterday was disgusting and a travesty. I hope Mr. Roeder enjoys prison and perhaps the death penalty.

It's pretty easy to get the grammar and spelling correct when you post very short insults. It's not that hard to spell 'slime', now is it? How about 'ad hominem'?

I would have thought you would have gotten bored already spell-checking posts when you could use whatever brain cells you have remaining to discover how wrong you actually are on just about every major issue. You'd then be welcome in our big tent of conservatism, realize global warming is the biggest lie of our generation and reject the deficit spending that will doom us all, even those who don't think it will impact them.

Drop a line when you do ...

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Mike Hendricks was right and your a good example of why. Haters like you who keep using inflammatory language will inspire the marginal losers among you to acts of irresponsible violence.

if I have this right.

36 years of calling the man a murderer. Barricades at his clinic. Stalkers protesting at his church. Calls for the death penalty.

But you're not, in any way, responsible for his actual murder. You never advocated killing him. You were just, umm, expressing an opinion. The fact that someone took it the wrong way is absolutely no fault of yours, or any other anti- abortion person.

Where have I heard this excuse before? Oh, yes. Some guy used it in a murder trial years ago. Manson, I believe his name was. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it worked.

The fact that you even found it necessary to post two paragraphs on how evil you thought the man was would tell anyone who's ever taken Psych 101 that you already KNOW you helped a murder happen, and are looking for an excuse.

Too late.

I say the same thing to you, Ross, and other "pro-lifers" that I say to Muslims: There is a documented history of terrorism by extremists among you; Watch out for them and report them to police if you suspect they plotting to commit a religiously motivated crime.

Balano doesn't like the spotlight being turned on the terroristic tactics employed by those whose viewpoint she shares. She doesn't want people to pay attention to the over 6100 attacks on abortion providers and clinics including murder, attempted murder, assault, acid attacks, bombings, arson, and anthrax hoaxes - all standard fare for terrorists.

Her false disclaimers about this murder ring hollow in that neither she nor the millions of other terrorist sympathizers within the anti-choice crowd ever decried the prior attacks but instead have stood on the sidelines and cheered or even participated in the persecution and prosecution for non-existent crimes that were carried out against Tiller, Slepian, Gomez, Planned Parenthood, and others.

Balano is running for cover now that the cover has been blown on these terrorists and terrorist sympathizers whose stated goals are to use threat and intimidation to force the tens of millions of Americans who do not share their extreme social, political, and religious views to adhere to those views.

Her apologia and rationalization are what prompt individuals like Roeder to undertake these attacks. She, Randall Terry, and others of their ilk are as culpable as bin Laden for the recruitment and inspiration for these terrorist attacks and it is time to shut them down.

will take their wide brush to paint all anti-abortion people like the idiot/criminal that shot Tiller.

Thanks, Jenniferm for your comments:

There are zealots in every cause. Unfortunately that idiot will hurt the real movement to rid the country of abortions. While I abhor what Tiller did for a living, he was apparently within the law - and the perpetrator is a vile criminal.

But there will be people like Interface and Edith who will USE this murder for THEIR cause. That is unfortunate!

It's hard to see much difference between the reprehensible rhetoric used by those two unhinged individuals. Balano's launched baseless attacks on Tiller on this website time and time again. Words like his and Terry's simply provide fuel for the fanatics who use such words to justify their violent actions.

"George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions."
-- Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue

I just reread Ross's comment and I did not see "personal attacks" just comments asserted in a very calm and factual manner.

I believe it is the very definition of "cheap shot" to lay this murder at the feet of those in the pro life movement, and the usual suspects did not hesitate to take it. By the definition of the term, pro life folks do not condone murder. (Now before the usual suspects again start to rant, executions of murderers, rapists, etc. does not qualitfy as the same as taking the life of an innocent child).

Ross I congratulate on a very well reasoned and thoughtful post. Those who rail against your thought show themselves for what they are.

I don't agree with anything you say, but you have the right to say it....without the personal attacks you take. I respect that.

I am pro-choice and proud to call myself that--and I don't care what names people throw at me (anonymously, natch).

I do not and will not paint the whole pro-life/anti-abortion movement with the same brush. I personally know people who call themselves pro-life and they do not condone or agree with the actions of the few.

Dear Friend of Nitwit: Nothing could be more obscene and deserving of condemnation than the posts of Bolano. Read this one above. He continues to rant without facts (asserting his made-up facts) while making false and inflammatory accusations against a man just murdered by Bolano's "minions." Worse yet, this post despite his disclaimer is a clear acceptance if not support of violence against those who challenge the "religulous" beliefs of your nitwit compadre. This neo-nazi should not be representing himself as a voice of Midwest Voices. Glad you are no longer a Democrat. Are you a member of the Falange?

Ross, its like Interface/edith sit and wait for you to post so he can start the name calling. Doesn't matter what day it is or what time of day.

Hang in there. Too bad the Star doesn't feel it necessary to moderate this blog, those that break their own rules of conduct have a pass, it appears.

Sorry, Ross, we don't believe you.
You, Randall Terry and thousands of other Operation Rescue types have spewed enough inflammatory rhetoric to fill the Grand Canyon. You cannot now step back and deny responsibility.

You don't have to specifically "advocate" this kind of violence. A wink and a nod will do. You know full well that if you say it often enough and loud enough and hatefully enough, some demented loser will use his or her Second Amendment rights to fulfill your unspoken wishes.

Come back and talk if and when somebody takes down one of the leading lights of your self righteous, holier-than-thou world. But that's not likely to happen, is it? It seems all the victims of violence in the abortion arena are the providers, not the "Pro-life" types such as yourself,

Yeah, what George Tiller did was awful and grisly, but just how much less evil or hypocritical was he than somebody like, say, Dick Cheney, who dodged the Vietnam draft, who used public office to make himself rich and who ultimately put young people in harm's way in the name of an unnecessary war, at the cost of thousands of dead, tens of thousands maimed and trillions of dollars?

The Star should not have you continuing to use this space. You are a shameful idiot, and KMA.

I understand that Mark Horlick deemed Tiller's murder "a miracle."

"What was an abortionist doing 'in' church, any church...being allowed, welcomed, even venerated? This man killed babies for a living. He charged large sums of money to do it. Then he went to 'church,' made large contributions, and the 'church' (Reformation Lutheran Church) accepted it??" Pastor Mark Holick, Spirit One Christian Center, & OSA.

Balano,

Your entire rant is only a recitation of previous unproved allegations regarding Tiller.

Where is the proof of any single one of your allegations? There are none. Tiller did perform late-term abortions, such as the one described by a tearful woman whose name is Maria whose doctors discovered when she was 7 months pregnant that her very much wanted and loved son had developed no brain and that her life would be in danger if she let the pregnancy proceed. So, yes, Tiller did perform a late-term abortion and this woman, while heartbroken over her loss of her son, was equally distraught that someone had murdered the very man who was there to help her in her darkest hour. Where were you to help this woman and others like her?

On another topic, aside from the very real need at times for late-term abortions, there's the whole topic of abortions in general - if all you "pro life" zealots would spend half as much energy, rhetoric and money used to spew your hate and lies on actually doing something constructive, like say, working to help women AND men avoid unwanted and unplanned pregnancies, then perhaps society could reduce this to a much smaller issue? But then, you wouldn't have a platform for your hatred and ignorance, would you?

Sickeningly, it is you and your ilk who scream and yell about abortion, and out of the other side of your mouth want to cut funding for organizations and institutions that provide sex education and the means to prevent pregnancy. Riiiiight, that really makes sense...

Just had to take this opportunity to slam those evil liberals and the "pro-abortion" president?

How insensitive.

For those of you who weren't paying attention, Dr Tiller was murdered in his CHURCH in front of his church members. Were they somehow deserving of this because they dared to share a pew with him?

There was a woman on the news tonight who had a late term abortion at Tiller's clinic. Her baby had no brain and her doctors recommended an abortion because of the danger to her health. What I found especially sad was they didn't show this woman's face or identify her. In this climate here in this city, and in the state of Kansas, that would have been dangerous. Yet this woman was brave enough to tell her story.

I feel great sympathy tonight for Dr. Tiller's family. It seems more appropriate to think of them than to turn this into an opportunity to slam those I disagree with. You, Mr Ballano, should be ashamed of your insensitivity less than 24 hours after this horrific murder.

The guy walked into the church and shot another human being. Why? Because for years his view that a fetus has full legal rights and privileges as a born into the world child. This notion is such a radical departure from historical and legal precedent that it would be laughable if it wasn't useful as a political tool.

The shooter believed he was on a mission from god and that his strongly held religious beliefs compelled him to murder an adult human being who was engaged in providing health services to women whose lives were in danger if they carried the fetus to full term.

If the anti-abortion movement can't see the problem here, we're in big trouble. What happens next, now that the anti-abortion whackos refer to "President Obama, the most pro-abortion president in our history" (a right wing extremist talking point)?? What is God saying to the now??

I don't think people would assume all pro-life people advocated the murder of the doctor, no matter how much they disagreed with him.

By the same token, I don't think it's right to call President Obama - or a supporter like myself - "pro-abortion." If someone is pro-choice, they do not want there to be more abortions, or necessarily any abortions at all.

We should not oversimplify the issue. If someone is "pro-life" then they should be consistent as well. That means no uneccessary death for infants - and fetuses - in Iraq or Afghanistan. That means rethinking the death penalty, which is illegal in many countries.

I don't see why you are saying "Thank God" that you don't think like a liberal. We don't all think alike.

I am pro-choice, do not like abortion, am against late-term abortion but am also anti in vitro, anti surrogate, and think some gay couples are more equipped to be parents than some straight couples. I am against the death penalty, against war but ok with death with dignity for the dying (assisted suicide), but only for desperate cases.

Another liberal might see it differently. And I certainly do not think all "pro-life" people would advocate murder of the Dr.

Tom, I guess you better tell Fox to pull this story pronto! Also, the NOW president "and other activists urged that Monday be observed as a national day of mourning for Tiller, as well as a day of commitment to the cause of abortion rights.

I guess you folks owe Ross an apology.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/31/pro-life-groups-fear-backlash-tiller-murder/

Excerpts:

NEW YORK -- Anti-abortion leaders voiced concern Sunday that the Obama administration and other Democrats may try to capitalize on the murder of Dr. George Tiller to defuse the abortion issue in upcoming Supreme Court confirmation hearings.

Many anti-abortion groups condemned the killing of Tiller, a prominent abortion provider who was shot dead at his church in Wichita, Kansas. But they expressed concern that abortion-rights activists would use the occasion to brand the entire anti-abortion movement as extremist.

They also worried that there would now be an effort to stifle anti-abortion viewpoints during questioning of Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor. Her exact views on abortion aren't known, but conservatives fear she supports abortion rights.

Said the Rev. Patrick Mahoney, an anti-abortion activist: "No one should use this tragedy for political gain."

Mahoney said he had been conferring with other anti-abortion leaders about how to deal with any backlash to the Tiller killing that might undercut their cause at a time when they are trying to challenge Obama's support for abortion rights.

"I'd hope they wouldn't try to broad-brush the entire pro-life movement as some sort of extremist movement because of what happened in Wichita," Mahoney said. "That's really important -- don't use this personal loss for a political gain."

Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women, said Tiller was aware of the dangers he faced, "yet he continued to protect his patients and provide safe and legal abortions to women in often-desperate circumstances."

She and other activists urged that Monday be observed as a national day of mourning for Tiller, as well as a day of commitment to the cause of abortion rights.

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Ross posted a considered article. While I personally am not religious, I have ethical objections about abortion. Anyway, I have no doubt the pro-abortion groups will attempt to seize on this and use it to diminish all pro-life groups, not giving a damn that they don't condone murder. I'm glad Obama condemned the murder, but I don't believe I heard him use the term 'outraged' over North Korea's explosion of an underground nuclear weapon nor the recent missile firings - which of course is actually his mission statement, that of protecting our national security, but he finds the time to be 'outraged' over this. Why this and not a similar statement on NK?

Concerning Tiller himself, Ross's seemingly harsh assessment of him was also seemingly accurate - he did do those things. Of course no one deserves to be killed for that, that isn't the issue - rather, the issue is the realistic cynical certainty that the liberals will anoint George Tiller as a cause celebre, to use his death as a way to weaken the debate over abortion, irregardless of whether the overwhelming majority of those opposed to abortion are good, decent people who would never dream of doing something as evil as this.

Ross has the right to express himself, but seeing Tom's demand to the Star to put a leash on him for doing so simply confirms Ross's view that the liberals will seek to silence their opposition. They're not interested in free speech when they don't agree with it, which is exactly why they're trying to use the FCC to backdoor a version of the Fairness Doctrine to silence conservative talk radio which absolutely trounces liberal talk radio. We also know good old Nancy Pelosi is in favor of that, too.

Must be nice to be tolerant, diverse and absolutely tyrannical with respect to other peoples' rights.

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The Kansas City Star’s editorial staff may consider modifying this MidWest Voices alum’s userid and password credentials to allow for “response only” postings rather than the ability to create headlined articles.

This particular article and the writer’s response deserve editorial scrutiny. Or is this intended theatre?

Tom Ryan
The Crossroads
Kansas City

[Almost all of us who profess to be pro-life would never have advocated the murder of Dr. Tiller.]

Balano,

Your words ring very hollow.

What are the odds that this right-wing nutbag has read and agreed with your divisive rhetoric.

Living right here in Johnson County, is a killer in the name of God.

I'd send this guy to Guantanamo, along with all the other terrorists.

I personally find you (the persona you deliver here) to be despicable.

Not much better than the accused wingnut.

You don't think like a liberal, you think and speak like a self-educated fire extinguisher salesman. You think that you're speaking to people as stupid as yourself: you think that "pro-abortion" slips by unnoticed, you seeping idiot. Liberals are pro-abortion in the same manner that irresponsible slime like yourself is pro-death: death to the loose slut who got herself knocked up, death to Tiller, death to the children of the enemy.

Of course you condone his murder. You condone the murder of innocent children--not "pre-born" children in the terminology of fools such as yourself, but actual living breathing out of the womb children who have the temerity to live in the country of the enemy.

Crawl back under the porch, Balano.

Despite your wishes otherwise, the BBC has this on their front page international news.

The BBC writer describes Doctor Tiller as a “prominent” US abortion doctor. Prominent now indeed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8076253.stm

I’m not sure what stream, main or otherwise, you’d categorize the BBC except to say that it’s the largest English language news service in the world.

Tom Ryan
The Crossroads
Kansas City

It's the lies and misrepresentations spread by slime like you that Tiller's murderer ate up.

You didn't pull the trigger, but you all but encouraged that loon to do so.

It was just a matter of time.