By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist
The outspoken leaders of anti-abortion groups can save their feeble "we're shocked and saddened" statements. They are privately pleased at George Tiller's murder on Sunday.
They have wanted Tiller out of the way for years. He has been fought in the courts, and won. He has been shot before, and survived.
But not this time, not when a (likely) anti-abortion nut got too close and killed Tiller at a church service.
People who genuinely abhor the killing of unborn children -- and there are many of these well-meaning people in the anti-abortion movement -- have a right to be very worried right now.
Yes, there is likely to be a backlash against the anti-abortion movement from Americans who abhor the killing of someone just because he or she disagrees with your view.
George Tiller performed a legal service as a physician. Yes, it was controversial, and it endangered his life.
But the kind of movement that wanted Tiller dead finally succeeded in their cause on Sunday. It's a stain on their cause, one that will last many years.
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Just curious...who had the
Just curious...who had the most to gain from the murder of Dr. Tiller? You all just assume it was a "right-wing nut job?" hmmmmm.
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Its a stain on their cause
Mr.Abouhalkah, in order to make the statement that Anti-Abortion Leaders "will be stained for many years", you must assume that "they have wanted Tiller out of the way for years." Do you have any support, any evidence that Anti-abortion Leaders wanted Dr. Tiller murdered? Pro-life leaders supporting pro-death acts like murdering an abortion provider doesn't add up, does it? It feels from the tone and wording of your column that you are spinning the stain yourself.
Why such an extreme comment over an extreme action??
It hurts to know that there are people who would kill over an issue. Any issue. The temperature of all political debate is becoming more harsh and unforgiving.
But I'm puzzled by Mr. Abouhalkah's statement that those who are opposed to abortion are "privately pleased" about this killing.
Fact : the vast, vast majority of pro-lifers would eagerly turn in anyone they thought would kill an abortion doctor. And not because it would 'tarnish the movement', but because such a killing as this one is the taking of a treasured and valuable life.
Fact: Over the past decade or so, pro-life groups in most places have made a tough effort to stop such things. There are, unfortunately, some that have not. That is especially true in Wichita, where the heat level has been highest and many incidents have happened before.
Please, understand. Should we ignore the plight of Palestinians because some are violent? No; we should address the violence and the violent for what they are, and yet deal seriously with the very real issues. The same should apply here.
Please stop tarring a movement with the brush of a few murderers and loudmouthed activists.
Dr. Tiller post mortem.
Just curious...who had the most to gain from the murder of Dr. Tiller? You all just assume it was a "right-wing nut job?" hmmmmm.
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Yael, where are you on the Ark military shootings???
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523860,00.html
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/01/and-now-this-shooting-at-military-recruiting-center-1-dead-1-wounded/
"One Army recruiter was killed Monday and a second was wounded in a shooting at a recruiting office, and a suspect was arrested, police said.
Police Lt. Terry Hastings said the recruiter was shot when a man in a black SUV opened fire on the office in west Little Rock at about 10:30 a.m."
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I bet they were the result of all the liberal hate and actions against the military recruiters in the past, using the same logic some liberals are using with Tiller's death in tarring everyone in the pro-life movement. So, liberals, are you going to stand up and accept your responsibility for the death of the military recruiter and the wounding of another?
I'll point out that the Star was quick to post topics here directly after the Tiller murder on a SUNDAY, but this shooting happened at 10:30am today and there's not ONE post from the Star in MW Voices yet as of 4:35 pm, decrying the senseless violence and wondering whether these actions resulted from liberal agitation efforts.
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You're a moron. Quit disrespecting the military.
Intolerance at its peak!
I am shocked by these intolerant statements!
Being pro-life and working in the pro-life movement I know of none among these ranks who are privately pleased at ANY murder. That is what being pro-life is all about, its wrong to murder babies and its wrong to murder doctors! The pro-life people I know have been praying for Tiller.
Tillers death IS a tragedy to pro-lifers who value ALL life, including the most vulnerable and innocent among us such as the baby in the womb! What a hateful statement you have made which only reveals intolerance for those who do not hold your position on what abortion really is or does! There are numerous threats and physical attacks on pro-lifers all the time. Father Frank Pavone, a courageous leader in the pro-life movement who understands you only fight evil with truth and prayer, has been the victim of violent threats. From your standpoint the pro-abortionists must be "secretly pleased" at the violent threats made against his life!
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I've never seen so many
I've never seen so many crazy and irresponsible comments before. There is no one responsible for the murder except for the shooter.
Is this the same group who said you can't blame music, music videos, or Hollywood for any violence that kids commit? Did anyone blame Al Gore or environmentalists when the Unibomber was blowing things up or when people were torching SUV dealerships or for spiking trees so people cutting them down would be hurt or killed?
As usual with liberals, it's everyone else's fault?
Socialist Yael stains image of real journalists
Yael can save his indignant comments saying "I am shocked and saddened" statements. Yael is privately pleased at George Tiller's murder on Sunday.
Yael has wanted Tiller out of the way for years. You see, Yael is the lowest form of subspecies on the planet, the bottom dwelling liberal yellow journalist.
Know to flourish on the bottom of large bodies of water, this subspecies Yael is parasitic in nature, and feeds off of the blood of normally healthy tax payers. The Yael subspecies exists by sitting in the shadows, and then leaping out to suck the blood out of healthy specimens, and then blames things like his environment, "the system" for his horrible existence.
Yael is a stain on the cause of humanity and hard working Americans. A stain that will likely last long after he is fired by the star, and starts completely living off of the taxpayer.
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Best thing I've read today. You might have to explain some to the mental midgets on this site though. Most can't think for themselves and are only able to fling around juvenille insults or parrot DNC talking points.
Sorry for any confusion - this site is a mess to try to operate. I've seen better programming by interns with 1 month experience.
One of the best things I've read all day.
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KatherineH: I am loathe to
KatherineH: I am loathe to give Yael any more pub...however, clearly, if Randall Terry has spoken out publicly...he's not "privately pleased".
Yael's statement suggests ALL anti-abortion group leaders are privately pleased. If he meant just Terry...he should say Terry. The majority of respectable pro-life group leaders are appalled and horrified by this murder. Did Yael mention that?
No, because Yael is incapable of writing objectively. He is compelled to slant every single subject...his way. That's why he should be fired. He's not a true Journalist. He's just using his position to sway...not report. It's the same on any topic...from abortion to development in Kansas City.
Yael could have taken another approach...but he's hoping to influence folks who can't think for themselves---like you. And it's Mimi60...not just Mimi.
Thinking for myself...
usually means actually going and finding out things on my own. I, for example, knew about Terry's statement, in which he claimed not to support the killing of the "mass murderer" who "reaped what he sowed"- you didn't. I know about the new page that's up on the Army of God site cheering the death of Tiller and stating that he "will never murder another child"- bet you didn't know about that one either. The majority of anti-abortion leaders have all issued statements in the same vein- how horrified they are at the shooting of this mass murdering baby killing evil person. My thoughts while thinking for myself are: these people aren't very sorry. I'm sure the expressions of (sorta) regret would fool someone who doesn't think for themself, though.
This is murder, murder of a man who saved thousands of women's lives and bodies. It's not possible to be impartial. Not to me, anyway.
And my apologies for abbreviating your name. I usually leave numbers off, because I don't see numbers as people or vice versa. I use names. That's thinking for myself, too. I will be happy to remember to use your number next time.
Do the anti-choice bunch have problems reading?
(Thinking for myself...)
Precisely. Apparently these people can't even keep up with what their masters are saying, just as they seemed not to know of Roeder's many ties to the anti-choice thugs. All of this has been public knowledge for at least 24 hours.
If no other good comes of this heinous murder, at least this bunch has been marginalized even further than they already were. Whining about "libs" and "baby killers" just isn't going to offset the public outrage over this crime. I hope and pray it can be of some small comfort to Dr. Tiller's family.
Operation Rescue is responsible
I truly believe that Bill O'Reilly and Operation Rescue with their "Tillman Watch" did everything they could to incite hate crime against and murder against this man and they were successful. They need to be held accountable for promoting harm to an individual and we need to pass laws to prevent this in the future.
Glenn Beck spouting abouting fighting against gun control launched several shooting sprees earlier this year, enough is enough- it is time for responsible dissent and time to end right-wing extermists' deliberate attempts to incite violence and murder.
Mimi-
Several, including Randall Terry, have already issued statements indicating how pleased they are. Yael's absolutely right.
"Tiller's murder stains anti-abortion leaders"
"They are privately pleased at George Tiller's murder on Sunday."
How incredibly childish, irresponsible, uninformed, and offensive.
Although there are a myriad of other reasons to do so; the KC Star should fire Yael Abouhalkah . . .for this statement alone.
the civil war continues
One bullet. One death. One horrific tragedy. 40 million deaths. 40 million! Which is the greater horror? Why does this nation allow this to continue? What is the cause of this civil war? A court decision rendered by only seven people, based on incorrect science. Twice the governor of Kansas vetoed legislation that would have curtailed late term abortion in Kansas. Twice. Her reward? She is now Secretary of Health and Human Services! The war over abortion will rage on and on and on until RvW is no longer the law of the land. The sympathy that has been expressed for the bereaved family is real. The murder was wrong. All murders are wrong. Repeal the decision. End the war.
Lezzle's Irresponsible Comment
Your comment is outrageous. Your claim to oppose murder, is contradicted by your threat that "civil war" that will "rage on" unless Roe v. Wade is repealed. Civil war means violence, and your comment therefore amounts to a threat of terror unless you get what you want. If you want to repeal Roe v. Wade, win a few Presidential elections until the President appoints sufficient favorable Supreme Court justices, or seek a constitutional amendment. Leave out the war rhetoric or pretty soon you're going to be visited by the FBI.
Contradictory
Your comment is outrageous. Your claim to oppose murder, is contradicted by your threat that "civil war" that will "rage on" unless Roe v. Wade is repealed. Civil war means violence, and your comment therefore amounts to a threat of terror unless you get what you want. If you want to repeal Roe v. Wade, win a few Presidential elections until the President appoints sufficient favorable Supreme Court justices, or seek a constitutional amendment. Leave out the war rhetoric or pretty soon you're going to be visited by the FBI.
Ahhhhh, remember the good ole days of the Democratic primary last year--if Obama didn't get the nomination there "will be blood in the streets". Let's see, that would be Donna Brazile, MSNBC, and others. But that was okay----it was the evil Clintons they were fighting. Nothing like threatening a race war to get what you want.
Context, Please?
Your comment is outrageous. Your claim to oppose murder, is contradicted by your threat that "civil war" that will "rage on" unless Roe v. Wade is repealed. Civil war means violence, and your comment therefore amounts to a threat of terror unless you get what you want. If you want to repeal Roe v. Wade, win a few Presidential elections until the President appoints sufficient favorable Supreme Court justices, or seek a constitutional amendment. Leave out the war rhetoric or pretty soon you're going to be visited by the FBI.
Ahhhhh, remember the good ole days of the Democratic primary last year--if Obama didn't get the nomination there "will be blood in the streets". Let's see, that would be Donna Brazile, MSNBC, and others. But that was okay----it was the evil Clintons they were fighting. Nothing like threatening a race war to get what you want.
No, I don't remember it. Context and speaker are key in determining whether a threat is serious. Was the threat made anonymously or publicly? Did it follow immediately after a political murder? Was there a history of political murders concerning the subject of the threat?
Well,
It wasn't made by an anonymous commenter on a blog--so your reaction to Lezzle is pretty much over the top (as was hers).
Reichstag Fire
I suspect there is a trail of acorns leading to a den of fellow-travelling anarchists at the end of the untimely bullet that tragically ended the tragic life of George Tiller.
The Christian response to abortion providers and their staff has always been that they might establish an audience or camaraderie with people who have been in the same place like Bernard Nathanson and the Society of Centurions.
Ezekiel 18:23,32
Do I indeed derive any pleasure from the death of the wicked? says the Lord GOD. Do I not rather rejoice when he turns from his evil way that he may live? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies, says the Lord GOD. Return and live!
1 Timothy 2:1-4
First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth.
odd....
....an abortion "doctor" attending church?
Equal to Hitler attending a bar mitzvah.
Suspect has Operation Rescue Ties
Apparently the murderer of Dr Tiller, Scott Roeder, is at least a supporter of Operation Rescue. A cached view of the website shows his comments against Tiller.
http://scienceblogs.com/authority/2009/05/suspect_in_dr_tillers_assassin.php
OR ties? What a surprise
When are these faux Christians going to be held accountable as accessories to murder? They have as much in common with Jesus Christ as did Jim Jones.
Thank you
Thank you for a voice of sanity. These anti-choice terrorists have been harassing and threatening Dr. Tiller for years. They would much prefer a return to the days of coat hanger abortions.
I certainly hope there's a large enough public outcry over this murder to put these thugs out of business as any real political force. They need to be seen for what they are; just another religious lunatic fringe.
Yael and Barb Shelly are
Yael and Barb Shelly are pleasantly pleased that this has happened to Dr Tiller. It can only mean more web traffic to this site. Read the tone and content of this post, it reeks of the stench of tabloid journalism and of the hope of getting comments into the 100s by people who have NEVER been to this site before.
Operation Terror
Of course anti-choice organizations will publicly express dismay at Tiller's murder. There are the same people whose hyperactive rhetoric bear some responsibility for the campaign of terror against Tiller.
And I've done some reading online today. Check the comments on reports out of Wichita, and you will see that it's a lie to claim that all 'pro-life' people deplore Tiller's murder.
You're kidding...
Please tell me I did not actually see people saying that we can't possibly know it was an anti-abortion nut. I didn't see people trying to say that the "pro-life" community isn't celebrating this. Tell me I didn't read that.
Randall Terry has already come out cheering and yelling murderer, calling for yet more "exposure" of doctors and a bigger protest presence at their clinics and (and he was very specific about this) their churches. But of course he and his followers aren't pleased at all. How dare Yael make that assumption?!?
And of course we can't possibly know it was an anti-abortion nut. It was probably just some random nut, not affiliated with abortion in any way, randomly shooting into a church and by amazing coincidence happening to hit only Dr. Tiller. How dare Yael assume it was an anti-abortion nut?!
Come on, people. You've been screaming murderer at the man for almost forty years. This is what comes of your efforts. You can't distance yourself from it now and pretend it wasn't your fault. You are responsible. Aren't you proud?
The Christian Taliban strikes again
The Christian Taliban is just as horrific as the extremists in any religion. They despise our freedoms just as much as any Islamo-fascist. They hate our country's laws and they will commit vicious murder even while you are in your own church worshiping your own God freely in your own way.
And no, not all those in the pro-life movement are supportive of this heinous crime. Just like everyone that practices Islam is not a Muslim extremist. But we do know there are many "Christians" out there that are reveling in the death of Tiller in the same sickening manner that extremists in the Middle East cheered on the terrorism in the United States.
Just read some of the comments here and you'll see the Christian Taliban is a large movement. If they don't get their way, they are prepared to stop at nothing to get you killed.
article with more info - they caught a suspect
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responsible journalism
I am not an authority on responsible journalism, but you do not sound like it to me. That you would publish a statement speaking for what the leaders of anti-abortion organizations feel on this matter without interviewing them or giving them the opportunity to put forth their views on this matter is unfair and an abuse of your station. I feel that you wield your right to free speech irresponsibly here.
If anyone in any anti-abortion movement claimed to relish this death, I would be challenged to believe that they were in fact pro-life.
I am pro-life and proud of it. I take no joy in anyone's death, Dr Tillman's or any one else's. Your right to free speech is a blessing, please refrain from using it to speak for others.
I am sure you would not have to investigate very hard to find true to faith pro-lifers that are saddened by this death. Have you considered trying to do this? You might be surprised and learn something about what real pro-lifers really feel.
Stop Smearing People
People who are pro-life, are just that PRO-LIFE. We no more condone murdering adults than we do murdering unborn babies.
Try acting like an adult for once and stop accusing every person who is pro-life of being a murderer. Your statements are offensive.
Well put, I agree.
Try acting like an adult for once and stop accusing every person who is pro-life of being a murderer. Your statements are offensive.
Oh, jeez, Yael, you always overreact
"They are privately pleased at George Tiller's murder on Sunday."
The murder is terrible, as ALL murders are, but when you prove to scientists that you can read other peoples' minds as you're claiming above, check back with me. Until then, quit telling us that YOU know what others think without a shred of proof, otherwise you're just blue-skying a load of BS because it fits your world view.
"Yes, there is likely to be a backlash against the anti-abortion movement from Americans who abhor the killing of someone just because he or she disagrees with your view."
Really? You mean because of one sick bastard's actions that it will taint all of the people who are pro-life (I prefer that term to yours which of course is negative in connotation)? Really? All those good and well-meaning people who go to church each week and believe this strongly, a lot of whom live in Kansas and Missouri? You mean these people are going to suffer a 'backlash'? In what form, and by whom? If you actually believe what you write, then the only possibly meaning of your words is that those who are anti-life (a heckuva lot of liberals are included in that category) are going to somehow blame good and totally innocent people for the act of a sick zealot. In other words, the anti-life crowd will act like a mob, without thought, and punish innocent people. Isn't that what happened in the old days in this country when racists would lynch a black man who they simply suspected of committing a rape or other crime?
Would that include you, Yael? Are you going to join in or at least encourage such persecution?
You remind me of the blowhard who is always found somewhere in the movies in a lynch mob, leading it vociferously and relishing the role.
Do you feel better now for venting, Yael?
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Perfect For You Lib Fascists...
Now you and the big 0 can limit free-speech at abortion clinics.
No sane person will support what this "suspected" (using your lib euphemism) killer did. But good-ole YT already has the person convicted and id'd as an anti-abortion nut. Journalism at its finest. You libs rushing to justice just slay me....
We all know Tiller protected children rapists, but his ultimate punishment will be provided by his Creator, not someone disgruntled here...
who's judging who?
I'm so sick and tired of someone else who believes in the fairy tale of christ and the creator telling me who will be punished, implying that although they realize it would be inappropriate for THEM to judge, they certainly feel like the judgement is on their side. No god or creator will judge us; ultimately, our judgement is history.
Murder of Dr.Tiller
Those responsible must be treated like the murdering terrorists they are, and President Obama must ensure that legal abortions are available for all women in unthreatening surroundings. As a clinic defense volunteer at Dr. Tiller's clinic during the horrible summer protests in 1991, I am furious that his life ended this way after decades of stalking, threats, and murder attempts. When will we all agree that the only way to END abortion is to PREVENT THE NEED FOR IT with safe, available contraception for all women?
When is a fetus not a human life?
Now that most agree that late term abortion and just abortion in general is perfectly acceptable, then the sate needs to drop the law that when a pregnant woman is murdered and the unborn child also dies that the perpetrator(s) are charged with murder in the unborn child’s death.
There is no logic with this argument why is it ok for the mother and doctors to decide when to terminate the fetus because its technically not a living human, but when the fetus is killed in the act of a murder it is human life. Explain how this logic works.
Ok so liberals and socialist-democrats don’t believe that the fetus is NOT a human life when it comes to the mothers choice but it is alive when someone kills both mother and fetus or just the fetus is some cases.
Abortion should only be done in extreme cases like the mothers life is in danger, rape and incest not because she got way to drunk at a high school or college party and got knocked up and does not want to live with the consequences of being pernicious and sleeping around there are alternatives like adoption or being an adult about it (because if your adult enough to be sexually active ) then RAIS your kid. But by democrats standards its ok to sleep around and get pregnant and have countless abortions because its your right to chose if that HUMAM LIFE in your womb lives or dies.
When is a fetus not a human life, is it life when the fetus is terminated in the act of murder and not a life when serial killers like Tiller call it an abortion?
May god rest his soul and I pray he does not spend all eternity with Satan for the abortion/Murders of 60,000 babies.
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