Gallup's stunning abortion poll: Pro-life beats pro-choice

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... if the other side, using a 5-4 vote margin passed during a liberal-packed court, wishes to dream that a right to abortion actually exists in the Constitution, as if the very religious founding fathers would have actually AGREED with that ruling - insane on the face of it to assume they would. And where does the 'right to privacy' end? You mean its okay to kill a fetus, but it's not okay to refuse to answer a census question? Its okay to terminate inarguably a life form but it's not okay not to want cameras installed on city blocks?

Well, okay, that's the way you think - that as long as you personally support actions that violates a person's privacy, then there's no constitutional right, but if you disagree, it's the old Roe vs. Wade decision.

This is why this issue is so polarizing. So be it. To try to cut off argument is not only pointless, it's disingenuous.

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Let's say some religious zealot tries to pass a bill to prevent anyone getting tattoos. What are they "for?" Pro-unmarked skin? No, they are anti-tattoo. If you're trying to take something away from someone else, or stop them from doing something, you're ANTI, not PRO.

This is notwithstanding the fact that only zealots and demagogues think it's OK to assign a clearly charged term to the opposition, to undermine their position and argument. If you insist on calling them pro-abortion, then they have every right to call you anti-choice. Anti-abortion is a personal choice. Trying to force that moral on others is not.

Fine, you want a pro out of us? We're pro-law and pro-constitution. Your elected representative government and judiciary has said abortion is a privacy issue. By disagreeing, you are anti-law and anti-constitution, right? We are pro-selfdetermination, pro-liberty, and pro-freedom. I guess this means you are anti-selfdetermination, anti-liberty, and anti-freedom. We are pro-religious freedom. By tying the abortion issue to the bible and your morals, you are anti-religious freedom (you believe everyone should practive YOUR religion).

We are pro-separation of church and state. By giving to PACs that bribe and threaten politicians to serve your will or else, you are anti-separation of church and state, and pro-religious state. And that's FINE with you, as long as it's YOUR religion--the second someone says it should be Jewish, Catholic, Baptist, Protestand, Buddhist, or Muslim, they you'll UNDERSTAND what our founding fathers wanted to prevent. When you're WASP, it's easy to push your views around, with so many in agreement. So we are pro-empathy, and you are anti-empathy, or pro-selfishness.

OK, enough rhetoric. Hopefully that will end the pro vs anti garbage jibber jabber. Stop attacking the other side, unless the other side is trying to oppress, suppress, or subjugate you. The way the right does...

How many surveys are you referencing, street? Your title says 'surveys' but then you say it's 'only one poll'. In either case, if you are referencing a survey, you're going to have to post a link to it so that everyone can read it and know who did it.

Thank you.

There is nothing "stunning" about this, much less anything important. Few people call themselves liberal, but many are. This is only one poll, and it was conducted during a biased and charged election year. When we see 2-3 years of it, THEN it's a trend, and a statistic someone can believe. Polls easily can be worded (or given not so "randomly") to support either side. Look at ALL the polls and you'll find this out, and it is not changing at all in favor of the radical right, and never will:

<10% Number of Americans that think abortion should be illegal in all instances
2:1 Ratio of Americans that say Roe v. Wade should be upheld (v. for overturning)
>60% Americans that say Roe v Wade should NOT be overturned
<30% Americans that say Roe v Wade SHOULD be overturned

As a result, it causes no concern whatsoever for pro-choice backers. The Supreme Court has spoken many times, and stare decisis (and jurisprudence constante) will prevent them from "changing their mind" capriciously based on politics. States that have passed laws sneaking around Roe v. Wade have consistently seen their vote-pandering attempts thrown out as unconstitutional. In only 1 instance did the Supreme Court overrule the lower court, and that was during the Dark Age of Bush (and his Republican Congress)--that will change soon, luckily for America. The only reason the Partial Birth Ban was passed is because activists came up with a fake term that would easily polarize the issue and electrify (and dupe) the far right Republican base.

Regardless of how many people call themselves pro-life, almost 2/3 of American say early and mid-term abortion should be a choice for the mother, which is in line with Roe v Wade that they clearly support. Don't try to make a mole hill into a mountain. Most people filling out polls have no idea what the terms really mean, or even recognize that a non-viable fetus at 20 weeks is 6" long and weighs only 1 pound. Most don't realize that viability up to week 26 is still only 15%, and a fetus at that stage (only 8" long) does not sense pain. Most pro-lifers have a clear ulterior motive that doesn't warrant or excuse their alarmist tactics: to supplement the religious, fear-based brainwashing of their children, by taking away a choice from their daughters and sons, in the hopes that they will have yet another reason to not have evil sex, much less enjoy it. Barking without teeth sucks. Same reason they are against sex education and condoms.

When the base of their arguments fail to force morality on their kids at home directly, they want to force morality on them indirectly through society, so that their kids can't escape the "when you're under my roof" rule of any good autocrat or dictator. By taking away the abortion option, and the condom/pill option, they hope that their daughters will be more encouraged to keep their legs together. But if they don't, there's always the hushed out of state abortion (so they're not embarrassed in church), or the "had mono that year" while having a baby elsewhere and putting it up for adoption. Or claiming it's the mother's, like some "responsible parents" (and presidential candidates) do in Alaska.

And grow up yourself. That line is getting old.

Fact remains - anti-choicers murder abortion doctors. Your side.

Evelyn Wood is for speed reading. Myabe you should slow down a bit and focus on reading comprehension because I never wrote that abortion doctors have not been killed.

I guess if you're pro-abortion, lying is no major offense.

...I have absolutely no intention of discussing/arguing/debating etc with you at all on this topic.

As I have stated before, those politicians who claim to be a "pro-choice" candidate do not have the balls to take a strong stand on this issue. I am just as disgusted with them as you are, although for different reasons.

What I believe doesn't matter, it's the truth that matters. Ideology has nothing to do with this issue. Actually, Jenniferm, the ambiguity you pretend grants you the right to kill your unborn baby was not the intention of the Supreme Court "(Some claim) that the woman's right is absolute and that she is entitled to terminate her pregnancy at whatever time, in whatever way, and for whatever reason she alone chooses. With this we do not agree. Appellant's arguments that Texas either has no valid interest at all in regulating the abortion decision, or no interest strong enough to support any limitation upon the woman's sole determination, are unpersuasive. The Court's decisions recognizing a right of privacy also acknowledge that some state regulation in areas protected by that right is appropriate. As noted above, a State may properly assert important interests in safeguarding health, in maintaining medical standards, and in protecting potential life. (Section VIII)"

birth control is universal, then we will no longer need abortion.

It is a myth that most abortions are for birth control, but it suits you to make it sound that way.

When young men feel that using it is masculine and manly not to have unprotected sex and coercing starry-eyed young women into it is not, then we will no longer need abortion.

Yes, that would be a perfect world, and no, we don't live in it.

If so, Sarah Palin's daughter would have kept her knees together as well as Levi kept his pants up, but that didn't happen. She is fortunate that her family is wealthy enough and forgiving enough to allow her the luxury of having her baby. She will still have to struggle somewhat with the things she gives up, while Levi pays out of his pocket but continues to play.

And that's the bright side.

The dark side is the number of girls and young women who are forced, coerced or persuaded into sex who weren't being irresponsible.

When those who are 'pro-life' support that initiative, stand in protest at every rape and incest trial and agree to support every unwanted, battered and abused child, we will no longer need abortion.

Someday....