John YooBy Arturo Mora, Kansas City Star Midwest Voices columnist 2009
CIA agents who may have carried out torture during the Bush Administration should not be prosecuted. Former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo, as well as other Office of Legal Counsel lawyers involved in the writing of the notorious torture memos used to justify this torture, should be fully investigated and prosecuted if so warranted.
Unless strong and irrefutable evidence is found that President Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney knowingly and willingly broke the law in their dealings with Yoo’s department, they should not be prosecuted. Even if that’s the finding, the Obama Administration should move with extreme care in bringing charges, because of bad precedents it would set.
The CIA agents, giving them the benefit of the doubt that they acted in good faith, were only following orders.
I know, I know. Critics say it’s a perfect parallel to the Nazi defense at Nuremberg. It’s a rabbit hole of logic we should be careful of crawling down.
Waterboarding—any torture—is indefensible. The agents who did it should have known better, regardless of orders. They lost their moral compass. With a sense of duty in dire circumstances, they latched onto the Yoo legal cover. They had to have willingly put on moral blinders, because they are not stupid people.
Let’s put things in perspective, though. Nazis following orders killed millions and burned people in ovens. They deserve the place in hell reserved for them, orders or not.
Torture, especially in a democracy, is unacceptable. As horrific as what the agents did to their prisoners was, it’s not the same as participating in the Hitler killing machine.
Let’s also be clear, that although some of those interrogated may have their own place in hell reserved, if America stands for anything at all, it should not be torture.
This is all gray to me, not the black or white much of the left or right wants to make of it. I’m sure you’ve heard the classic debate before, asking if you were socialized in Nazi Germany, what would you have done? I’m sure many quickly answer, “disobey orders!”
That’s a high and mighty lie, because you don’t really know until you’re in that exact context.
CIA agents, after 9/11, with no idea if another attack was imminent, pressured by their fear, by their sense of duty to a fearful nation, led by a White House awash in fear—all of this swimming in their heads and clouding that moral compass—acted in good faith, from their perceptions. That is my belief.
The politicians and lawyers, on the other hand, had a much greater responsibility and failed. They were charged with the ultimate defense of the US Constitution, regardless of circumstances, and failed.
If they did so with willful disregard for the Constitution, they should be held responsible and be subject to prosecution.
The case of Bush and Cheney, however, is more problematic and grayer. When it comes to security matters, many if not all presidents have winked at the Constitution.
Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, and on and on, all of them in some way winked at the Constitution when they perceived danger to the nation.
I’m not saying any of these made the right judgments, but that right or wrong, our presidents are given a lot of leeway when it comes to protecting America.
So to prosecute Bush (or even Cheney) for doing the same would be hypocrisy. If we do prosecute them, we had better be very sure their wrongdoings were on a level heads and shoulders beyond any historical presidential transgressions. To not make a clear cut case would risk charges of partisanship that would irreparably add to our national political divide.
The better outcome would be to prosecute Yoo—and colleagues such as David Addington, Jay Bybee, William Haynes, and yes even their bosses, John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales. A strong message needs to be sent that, going forward, this is not what America is all about.
Like it or not, most past presidents did our dirty work in the dark, not bothering with the broad daylight of legal cover. By providing that legal cover, Yoo and gang sought to give legitimacy to acts blatantly in violation of our principles.
By doing so, they risked setting dangerous precedents in constitutional law, seeking to legitimize behaviors that should never be justified in American law.
If this dirty work of national security needs to be done, it should be done outside of the Constitution, and never justified by it. Keep it in the dark where it belongs. Let’s not try to make it seem legal.
You may say this is a contradiction, considering I mentioned what America should stand for. If you say, well, let’s stick to our principles, this dirty work shouldn’t be done at all, I say, sure, once we achieve that pure fantasy world we’d all like to live in.
In the meantime, wake up and smell the behind-the-scenes ugliness that sustains our military and economic dominance, which props up our standard of living. Willing to give that up? Really? Sorry, I don’t believe you.
Perhaps I’ve read too many spy books—though I consider John LeCarre more real than most of what I’ve ever read in the papers—but I know somewhere in the world, regardless of what President Obama orders, people will continue to put their consciences on hold to protect us.
Do I want it to be otherwise? Of course. I’ve written about peace before and I believe in it, personally and in the world.
I also believe in truth and seeing things clearly as they are. Until we’re willing to completely renounce everything their dirty work brings us, we should not so easily condemn those who do it.







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We need to do whatever we have to to protect this country!
The squeamish liberals can not comprehend this.
It's like their logic as if saying "Don't fight for your life because fighting is bad!"
BS
"This involvement where they ordered specific and unconstitutional methods and then tried to provide legal cover for them is just unprecedented."
I just provided a link that showed that Clinton's lawyers did the same thing.
he zeros in on a point
Yes, we train our personnel to resist torture, because our enemies don't always play by the standards that we're supposed to uphold.
Waterboarding is full blown torture?
You need to read up on what real torture is versus this interrogation tactic that we use on our own personnel for training.
That Obama is releasing to the world this kind of information is irresponsible at best! Why not release blueprints of all our weapon systems too?
Instead of wasting time with Bush Conspiracy witch-hunts why don't we focus our attention on the real enemies, Islamic fanatics.
Or is that not politically correct?
This whole meme about coddling terrorists is so pathetic
This whole bit about Obama's going to coddle terrorists because he doesn't believe in torture, that's just so much chicken-little panic.
C'mon, get real. He knows it's his duty to protect the country, and there's a lot of experienced, hard-edged people in the CIA, FBI, military,etc. who are going to help him do it.
Do you really think this one little tactic, torture, is the whole kit and kaboodle difference on keeping us safe? That's just so much reactionary reaching.
If anything, it's making us tons LESS safe every time it's used as propaganda to win over another convert to terrorism. It's cute to say Obama's going to coddle them, but is it really furthering the debate any? It's just a buffoonish characterization.
As for prosecuting the lawyers or even the AG's, I'll stick by the case I've made. The micromanagement of torture with the AG, the Justice Dept, VP and others involved goes against the usual common-sense way such matters are handled and a couple of hundred years of security protocol: you let the pro's figure out what to do, you stick by established principles, and you get out of their way.
This involvement where they ordered specific and unconstitutional methods and then tried to provide legal cover for them is just unprecedented.
....what's so funny about peace love and understanding? E.Costello
Since when
Since when is a lawyer writing a legal opinion that the President doesn't like a criminal act?
Obama is putting the country at risk with this ridiclous pandering to the rabid left. It will be a literal miracle if we make it through until Jan 20, 2013 without having another major terrorist attack on US soil. What's Obama planning to do if they capture a terrorist that they KNOW has information on an imminenet terrorist attack? Send the terrorist to bed without his "islamic approved" dessert? Oh wait, we can't even do that, somebody might say it's mean.
Why stop with Bush's lawyers? Why not Clinton's lawyers?
http://www.cjonline.com/interact/blog/groenhagen/2009-04-22/why_stop_with_bush_administration_officials
Obama
What the release of the memo's says about Obama is he is more concerned with throwing red meat to his far left base in order to get his domestic agenda passed at the cost of national security.
You can not prosecute the lawyers who devised these memos. They are lawyers, they gave their best legal advice and the president chose to sign off on the interrogation techniques. If you start prosecuting people in any administrations for what they believe and for their advice then you will have a tough time finding qualified people who will give any advice on the difficult issues all presidents face.
If this goes forward, anyone working in high precincts in the Obama administration now or future administations had better be strongly advised to get the hell out of Washington. Because it won’t end here. This is all political, in the end and one day, they will be caught in the vise just as surely.
And...
And you have proof of this...?
You can throw out baseless arguments all you want (I wonder where Interflop is to do this?), but how about some real evidence of just that?? Especially this Sadaam one.