By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist
Gay New Hampshire Episcopal Bishop V. Gene Robinson has joined those saying they don't want pastor Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at Barack Obama's inauguration. Robinson's intolerance is disappointing.
After all, Robinson's relationship with another man has deeply split the Episcopalian Church. Its decision to allow a gay man to become a bishop has cost the church tens of thousands of members in America.
I'm a member of the Episcopalian Church and have no problems with the Robinson decision.
However, Robinson's views on Warren surprise me.
Warren's latest sin, in Robinson's eye, was campaigning for Proposition 8, a California constitutional amendment that passed in November to ban same-sex marriages.
"In some ways he's a very brave person, but he's woefully wrong about the issue of homosexuality," Robinson said of Warren. "He needs to be confronted about the lies he told about gay people to the people of California."
But remember, a majority of Californians opposed same-sex marriage -- just as do the majority of voters in Missouri and other states that have outlawed gay marriages.
Robinson says it's wrong for Warren to appear in front of tens of millions of Americans on Inauguration Day.
Yet look at the issue a different way.
The controversy over Warren has spotlighted the inclusiveness of an Obama administration. That's a good thing.
And the controversy has prompted Robinson and many others in the gay community to speak out and get attention for their causes.
Again, a good thing.
Let's hope Obama does not back down and, despite pressure from gays, allows Warren to speak on Jan. 20.
His words just might surprise and gratify some people.









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They think that "marriage" is a right. They would not be happy even if civil unions came with all rights assigned to marriage. They want the word! If they don't get the word, they've somehow lost a right. Yes, I know we aren't there yet with the rights under civil unions, but most people, even Rick Warren, I believe, is in favor of equal rights regardless. BUT THAT WORD IS A RIGHT. We used to call it something on the farm "don't look a gifthorse in the mouth".
Darbyhunt-Don't turn the wrong way up a one-way street
I'm not sure where your contention that this is all in aid of the pursuit of happiness came from. I also don't see how treating everyone equally unless forced off that position for some really good reason is somehow diluting everything to the point of meaninglessness. It may make me happy to force everyone to wear their underwear on the outside, because my ideals prize cleanliness, and this way we can check! but I guess I'll just have to stay less happy. Two fags holding hands may make me feel icky, but what right does that invest in me to deny them civil rights? You seem to be arguing that forcing them to NOT hold hands, or gaze into each other's eyes, or speak of love and commitment in front of the children, somehow preserves individuality!
Examine your beliefs (all of them! in twenty seconds or less!) from the standpoint that homosexual activity makes you uncomfortable, and whether you've spent considerable time in finding reasons that support your discomfort, rather than asking why you should feel discomfort in the first place.
Well Steve I gave you my own
Well Steve I gave you my own personal definition of political correctness earlier. No attempts made to throw anyone off my trail and if I smell like fish, I need to switch deoderants.
Btw, we all are about half way to the pub that is about 1/2 mile past the 9th hole as far as blogging about the original topic is concerned. All well.
One other item to add to my previous post, is that we can in fact listen to one another's opinions, rally and make our views known, but the govt has no business diluting or allowing the dilution of ideals thru rewriting every facet of the civil rights.
I gotta get some work done.
Later.
What "tarts me off"
(which is an expression I've never heard but grasp the meaning of by context) is that political correctness is a red herring. From wikipedia:
"Similar to ignoratio elenchi, a red herring is an argument, given in reply, that does not address the original issue. Critically, a red herring is a deliberate attempt to change the subject or divert the argument. This is known formally in the English vocabulary as a digression which is usually denoted as "red herring".
The term red herring comes from the time when criminals would use fish to lead sniffer dogs off the trail."
I am gonna try to post
I am gonna try to post something like this one more time, but web staff, your server is messing up. This is the third time I have blogged this week when I completed my thought, hit post comment and the damn thing goes poof.
In essence, Edith, you are right when you say that those instances derrived from two sides disagreeing and the result of a court mandated amendment of marriage due to the "right for the pursuit of happiness."
I hope you did not think my intent to bring that up was to point out that biblical principles had anything to due with the timeline I gave. Interesting reading below.
http://www.lmaw.org/freedom/page05.htm
My thrust is that the groups(cogs) who need frequent oiling are putting the govt in the position of "defining marriage and expanding it's definition" based on the constitutional right of pursuit of happiness.
They will continue to dilute every premise until the nation is jello.
But hey, what ever makes people happy right?
It's about people being allowed to be happy right?The pursuit of happiness.
I want to marry my honda, and my hamster. I want to be happy so the govt should get out that big WD40 can and start spraying me until I get what I want.
Create new legislation to also make other people happy who want to teach creation in schools in addition to evolution.
What?! You all think I am shoving my ideals and theories down your throat??
BUT it makes me happy!
I am supposed to accept the happiness( of gay marriage and such) so accept the fact that I will be happy when kids are taught that "theory" in school.
I am being sarcastic for a reason, not because I am dogging on anyone. I am trying to point out the premise on which things get altered in govt civil rights does indeed fall prey to conflicting ideas, as you mentioned, but it is all under the feel good premise of "pursuit of happiness"
Sorry, don't see it at all.
I don't see anything like "government" setting up an arbitrary set of definitions for marriage that all must bow down to. I see in your list a series of heavily-argued legal issues that must be decided simply because two parties started arguing over them at some point, and the decision has to come down, generally, on one side or the other. Without going through them one by one, note that very few of the issues consist of beating down some religious group that decided that something in the Bible demands that they be permitted to marry off 12-year-olds, beat children unconscious because they're under the authority of the father, etc. Most are of the form, if the Constitution says this and state law says this, then you can't do that inside a marriage any more than you can outside a marriage.
Incidentally, note that the prohibition of polygamy was an agreed-upon deal with the Mormons to get Utah statehood.