By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist
The death of a Long Island Wal-Mart employee crushed by Black Friday shoppers has raised legitimate questions about Americans and our shopping mania.
Among them:
-- Have stores gone too far in trying to convince shoppers to arrive in throngs in early morning hours the day after Thanksgiving?
For example, the Long Island store where Jdimytai Damour was trampled to death promoted a "blitz" line for shoppers, borrowing from the football terminology for a defensive rush at the quarterback.
-- What kinds of people rush over a man, then keep coming and stepping on him -- and then callously go about shopping?
Some people unnerved by Friday's events said Black Friday savings weren't worth a man's life. Others said the people who caused the death "acted like animals." See a good video on the incident here.
-- Have Americans gone overboard in their desperation to save a few dollars, or to get a product a full month before Christmas?
-- How should stores best handle the large crowds that gather, especially for Black Friday events?
Best Buy stores and some others have handed out numbers to shoppers while they are still in line, giving them first crack at good buys. That policy would tend to make crowds more orderly.
-- -- Was the Wal-Mart death preventable?
Unions that have been critical of the country's largest retailer say the answer is clearly yes. Bruce Both, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1500 in New York, asked: "Where was security? How did store management not see dangerous numbers of customers barreling down on the store in such an unsafe manner?"









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people unnerved by Friday's
people unnerved by Friday's events said Black Friday savings weren't worth a man's life.
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What a sad commentary on our
What a sad commentary on our society that a person would be
trampled to death for on sale items.
I am nonplussed.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel
OMG! ROTFLMAO!! Those
OMG!
ROTFLMAO!!
Those "EVEEEL Corporations", yep all they do is hire folks and let them make a living! DARN "EM". We need to get rid of 'em, and let folks be happy like they are in North Korea, or Cuba, yep by golly, there's the ticket!
God save us, they walk among us.
Frag, go back on your meds.
Frag, go back on your meds. NO. DON'T ARGUE WITH ME. NOW! And don't knock them back with the Old Overholt, either, you've got to get back on the floor and get the noon crew setting up for lunch.
And leave twas_was alone. You start seeing someone new, Sarah'll stop taking your phone calls.
SonofRogue. I do blame
SonofRogue.
I do blame walmart, and Circuit City and Best Buy ... just like I blame GM / Ford for making & selling 12 mpg SUVs.
Who do you think came up with the idea of selling at 5:am .. so you would think it was a super-special-select group of people who could buy an item that was of such limited supply that only the first 5 people in a store could buy one.
I did not. You did not. My neighbor did not.
WalMart did, Circuit City did, Best Buy did.
The words "bait and switch" come to mind.
I can't get you to buy the 46" LCD TV for $200 off ... but maybe you will buy the 40" for ..... the exact price I will be selling it at in two months... [ but here is the sneaky part] .... WalMart already knows next months prices ... so it really isn't a sale )
It is just booking next quarters revenues today.
My family decided to buy a super LCD tv. from Nebraska Furniture Mart on our time frame and with our research.
Guess what - I paid less than it is on sale for this past weekend and I didn't miss any sleep.
I'll share some other "blames" I hold.
I blame big tobacco for hooking kids on cigarettes - wow, what a lobby.
I blame GM/Ford for making us think we are less of a man if we did not buy an F150 to get groceries.
I blame the government for the war on drugs failure - c`mon , when was the last time you paid $200/lb for beets , even if they were the best beets on the earth and could make you ecstatic in joy ? There isn't much crime in the beet cartel is there ?
I blame the current administration for the mess we are in around the world.
I blame oil companies and the API for fuel choices - they don't want options.
Yeah ... I blame WalMart and their ilk for violence on shopping days when they rev people up ( it is called herd mentality for a reason )
Wow - I didn't realize those
Wow - I didn't realize those evil corporations went out on Black Friday morning and drug people by force to stand in line - but since I now know that, I blame the Walmarts, etc. And those evil car manufacturers who actually built what people wanted - shame shame.
Laughing out loud. What an
Laughing out loud.
What an opportunity for the leftist wing nuts to bash their arch enemy Wal Mart.....you gotta love it when they tin foil hat army starts spewing their uusal clap trap.
I don't hold Walmart
I don't hold Walmart responsible for this man's death; I hold an unruly crowd responsible. 2000 people? How would some Walmart security control that many individuals? Once again, America is not forcing it's citizens to be accountable for their own actions. We need to blame the big guy, the corporation for not being prepared. Where does accountibility come in for the people who trampled this man to death? Crowds had blatant disregard for this man when they pushed him over, but hey, let's blame Walmart. Give me a break.
I'm all for doing away with the Black Friday deals as people do not know how to conduct themselves in a civilized manner. I hope the guilt is killing those responsible.
knittergirl wrote:I don't
I'm all for doing away with the Black Friday deals as people do not know how to conduct themselves in a civilized manner. I hope the guilt is killing those responsible.
While Walmart is not responsible for the actions of these people who trampled this poor man to death, they created the environment and frenzy by NOT enforcing some sort of crowd control such as as extra security and or police.
I certainly hope those rabid shoppers feel good this morning knowing they got a "killer" deal on those unnecessary items.
I reiterate what a sad commentary this is on our society, where material things are more important than a human being's life.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel
I agree with you Peskime,
I agree with you Peskime, but we live in a society where personal responsibility is extinct. The lawyers will go after Walmart because that's where the money is - and the people that trampled over this poor soul will enjoy their new Christmas items without much of a thought. And with the lawsuits publicized in the media, it will be Walmart's sole responsibility. And who is responsible for the the extinction of personal responsibility? You can lay that one on the courts and trial lawyers. And what is the predominant political party of those folks? You guessed it.
twas_was wrote:I agree with
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel
No Twas,
I don't think you agree with me at all. I never made this into a political debate, that sadly is what you made it into.
Republicans, the party that
Republicans, the party that denies responsibility for ANYTHING. The party that can't accept any responsibility for anything that's happened in the past forty years, when it's held the White House for twenty-eight--EVERYTHING is Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter's fault. The party of Rush Limbaugh, who comes from a family of lawyers--grandfather, father, brother, uncle, cousin--and loves to tell people what bastards lawyers are. The party that tells women, once you're pregnant your body belongs to the state, but after you've delivered the responsibility is all yours, baby. The party that wants big business to be able to sell anything to anybody and avoid responsibility for the consequences and avoid paying taxes by virtue of investment. The party that wants doctors to be held responsible for their actions only to the standards of their own professional society, not those of those silly courts. The Republican Party, where "responsibility" equates to socialism.
Or was that a rhetorical question?
By Al Norman "Outta My Way,
By Al Norman
"Outta My Way, I'm shopping at Wal-Mart."
That actual bumper-sticker sums up the attitude of the only thing worse than Wal-Mart in our culture: Wal-Mart shoppers.
The killing of a Wal-Mart worker this week during an early morning crush of customers at the retailer's Valley Stream, Long Island store has given the company a Black Eye from Black Friday.
Law enforcement officials are reviewing the video tape of the incident for possible criminal charges, but Wal-Mart corporate attorneys are no doubt looking at the video to determine the extent of the company's legal liability in the case. The retailer may be more preoccupied with how to prevent a multi-million lawsuit from the family of the dead worker, than how to prevent another Black Friday death.
The 2,000 or so Wal-Mart shoppers at the Valley Stream store were merely lab rats responding to a stimulus. When the door opened, they went after the cheese. In the past, it has been fellow shoppers who have been killed in the "savage" rush, as one onlooker at the Valley Stream store described the incident. Our culture of mass consumption has bred these "supershoppers," who will show up for every clearance, every special, with one goal in mind: to be at the cash register first.
Wal-Mart and the Nassau County Police now have to decide if they will press criminal charges against these supershoppers. There were at least four other people who were injured in the Long Island incident---one of several that took place across the country. A similar incident took place in Secaucus, New Jersey--but the woman injured in the 'shop 'til you drop' crowd was not killed. In Rapid City, Michigan, a teenage girl at Wal-Mart holding an Xbox 360 video game was "struck in the throat by a male shopper who was yelling and pushing his way through a line of shoppers."
Where better to carry out these random acts of violence than at a huge Wal-Mart, where price takes precedence over people? We can behave like 'savages' at Wal-Mart, because we are part of a large, anonymous throng. Wal-Mart spent $2 billion in 2008 on media advertising to encourage us to behave like out of control consumers. The crowd at Valley Stream was just following the program.
Wal-Mart has never been very good at protecting its workers or customers from crime at its stores--whether inside the store, or in the No-Man's-Land known as the parking lot. The latest Black Friday death is no exception. The poor temporary worker who happened to be given the job of unlocking the door, Jdimytai Damour, gave up his life so that some shopper could get a Playstation 3 Entertainment Bundle. Wal-Mart knew--or should have known---that shoppers on steroids are a dangerous breed. "We expected a large crowd this morning," Wal-Mart admitted in a press release, "and added additional internal security, additional third party security, additional store associates and we worked closely with the Nassau County Police. We also erected barricades. Despite all of our precautions, this unfortunate event occurred."
So far, all Wal-Mart has provided for the family of their dead worker is its "thoughts and prayers." But Damour's family is going to need a lot more than prayers to pay for the loss of earnings this young family has suffered." Instead of watching video reruns of the incident, or spending its corporate resources trying to track down the "savage" shoppers who crushed Damour, Wal-Mart should announce that it will use some of its vast wealth to provide the Damour family with a generous financial settlement. This is the moment for company Chairman Rob Walton to come to the aid of this family out of his own $23 billion fortune. The family should not be forced to file a lawsuit to receive justice from this company. Wal-Mart should have its compensation offer ready for sign-off within the week.
At Wal-Mart, they know the price of everything, but the value of nothing. It was the manager at the Rapid City, Michigan Wal-Mart store who said what the company's top brass in Bentonville could not say. "There's nothing in my store that's worth people's safety or lives."
I don't know the details of
I don't know the details of the Wal-Mart incident. But the logic of the crowd isn't the logic of the person. When a mass of people begins moving, individuals are caught up in it and cannot stop. The crowd becomes a herd, and a person in the midst cannot make a decision to stop but must keep going. This happens, or used to happen, regularly in Europe at soccer events. At one game, the gates wouldn't open and the crowd lurched forward, crushing people against the fence. When there are fires in buildings, there are sometimes more deaths from people being trampled than from smoke or fire. So, yes, the people in charge of the event do have responsibility for reasonable planning for crowd control.
Interesting to research the
Interesting to research the demographics of the NY town where this occurred. This really could be anywhere USA. It may be satisfying to think of these events as occurring in some foreign land with a foreign culture - but the statistics concerning community suggest that this town could be in NY, Kansas, Texas, etc.
Black Friday does not bring out the best in people. I do not necessarily see WalMart as the reason why this occurred - but our ideals should be higher than those of WalMart. The loss of Mr. Damour's life was tragic for all.
I appreciate your article
I have been to the Valley
I have been to the Valley Stream Mall where this happened several times over the past 5 years and there on Black Friday once. At the main mall building where Pennys, Macys, Sears, etc. are, the crowd is about 90% black. There was no pushing or shoving when the doors opened and there are plenty of "excuse me's", "sorry's", and "no problem's" from accidental bumps or when people want to get buy. The mall, like any mall, has a few characters, but overall, it is a very safe and polite mall to shop in.
Wall Mart, on the other hand, is isolated on the other end of the parking lot attached to Liquidators, which competes price wise. I went into the store once and the inventory was all over the floors along with the food and drinks sold in the store. The place smells bad and the crowd, which is about the same demographics, is very rude. I never went back. Liquidators, right next door, is cleaner, well organized, and security, while being friendly, insure that it is safe. There is a Home Depot less than 100 yards away that is very clean, organized, and safe. The Home Depot in Freeport NY about 5 miles away, however, is filthy, unorganized, and unsafe. The customers are about 50% white.
This is a store management issue that has nothing to do with demographics.
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When I die and go straight
When I die and go straight to hell for my many, many sins against common decency, I have no doubt I'll be reincarnated as the night manager at a bad WalMart.
I don't believe it has
I don't believe it has anything to do with Black Friday and everything to do with the Black People who were at that one store.
How many hundreds, thousands perhaps, of other Walmart's and other stores throughout the country were incident free?
I live in Freeport Illinois and our Walmart had lines of people waiting to get in at 5 am, and yet when the doors opened everyone entered in an orderly fashion. We quaintly call it respect for others - which trumps a DVD for $2.99 every single time where I live.
I know it's politically incorrect to notice that it was African-Americans who broke down the door and trampled the poor worker but I fail to see how a company, or a sale, can be blamed for the mob actions of a certain group of "people" who value saving a few dollars off a big screen TV over that of a human life. To avoid someone stomping, holding their breath, carrying on in a tizzy and calling out the R word I feel obligated to say that the people at that store represented only themselves and not any one group of people, it should be obvious but unfortunately it's not when some people don't have a valid point but yet feel the need to say something, anything, and it's usually the overused word "racist."
So accept them for who they are and act accordingly.
OK, Orgoek. I'll buy your
OK, Orgoek. I'll buy your premise 1000%
The manager at that WalMart never noticed they weren't in Freeport, Illinois before the doors opened?
Idiot.
Hello. To hoo it may
Hello. To hoo it may concern
The Black Friday event that happend was the worst thing I have ever heard & Just guesing I beat it was a lot of people that even go to Church ,That is what is wrong with the world today people really just do not care.
People will be sweet & nice go to work & church then the minute they leave work or church they treat peeople like they are peaces dog doo.
Now to take care for next year compainies need to have a rail system in the parking lot & at least one police officer present. & if things get out of hand then the officer should just shoot there gunns in the air & people will then settle down or die it is that simple.
Thank You
From the MAN That Knows Everything -
Intill Next Time
to the MAN that knows
to the MAN that knows everything...
First, learn to spell.
Second, if the police were there for crowd control, ( a good idea, I agree with that much) they would not be able to " just shoot there gunns in the air" like you suggested. There are several reasons for this, like, the bullets do come back down, and by shooting in the air, all that the crowd is likely to do is panic, creating the situation that the police are trying to avoid.
Get a clue, you sir, are an embarassment to the rest of us men.
during a summer morning in
during a summer morning in shanghai cn, i was wondering why the security guard was running away from the unlocking the first door opening carrefour (#2 to Walmart) now i know why.
didn't some one else get trampled a few years ago while moving to the dvd players at walmart?
Look, this has nothing to do
Look, this has nothing to do with the policy or tradition of doorbusters. It was in Long Island and that was everything! I'm from the Midwest, then lived in Texas, then spent 15 years in Miami where I learned that New Yorkers can be the rudest most selfish jerks on the face of the Earth. I'm back in Texas (thank God) where, like in K.C., this just couldn't happen.
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I've read all of the posts
I've read all of the posts and have come to the conclusion that it was fault of the people that did the trampling. I don't care what kind of sale or lack of security, people should not behave that way. Wal-mart shouldn't have to prepare for people who act like that. Some posts blame Wal-Mart akin to someone yelling "fire" in a theatre. No, they just put some items on sale for first come, first served. Ask yourself this question: would you trample over someone to get to a sale item? If you wouldn't, then maybe it was because the people who did it were very much lacking in character.
I agree Retailers deeply
I agree Retailers deeply depend on these sales.However the "Black Friday" tradition should be changed to make it a weekend long sales event.
This way maybe people knowing they have all weekend (or 3 days), to accomplish there shopping would not Rush to get there first.
In addition, shops should have Regular hours, say 9-5 for these "sales". The salespeople would not have to get up at the crack of dawn to get to there jobs.
"Black Friday" sales events need to be Stopped!
"Black Friday" sales events
"Black Friday" sales events need to be Stopped!"
I'd suggest the whole senseless, desperate, depressing and immoral Christmas holiday should be scrapped. The commercialism of Christmas bankrupts families, distorts children's values, and leaves people more depressed and suicidal than any other holiday.
We no longer celebrate Christmas or New Years. Christ was born in the spring, anyway, and the "new year" really starts with the solstice. So, we have a huge party on the 20th or 21st of every December; no gifts are allowed, but folks are encouraged to bring something to share: food, drink, song, poems, skits, stories, hugs. All is candlelit (with two fireplaces and a firepit in the backyard), there is much music-making, and splendid food! We talk about Christmas themes, Hannakuh, other spiritual beliefs of the season. We have returned to what the Saturnalia was meant to be before Christmas got grafted on it by the Roman church and exploited by big business and the media. We, and the many friends and family who attend, feel much better as january unfolds than our unenlightened buddies who are still caught in the Xmas trap.
Oh, let's see if we get a
Oh, let's see if we get a successful wrongful death action against Wally World as a result of this farrago, and you'll SEE some "stopped," big time.
kkaufhold, That's like
kkaufhold,
That's like saying that because George Bush and Dick Cheney are complete morons that everyone from Texas are morons. Or that everyone from the midwest is ignorant. Now, we all know that's not true, right? At best, the only conclusion that you could draw is that people you've met that moved from NY to Miami are rude.
One thing we CAN all agree on, however, is thank god you're back in Texas.
Merry Christmas!