Obama and Ayers

You obviously have a hardon for Sarah Sixpack. So... share with your faithful readers (and those (like me) that just get ambushed by your spew from time to time...). WHY DO YOU LIKE SARAH SIXPACK? Here is the latest absurdity from this queen of the absurd (and I am not forgetting JOE (PLASTIC EXPLOSIVES) VOGLER or many many other amazing absurdities)

To wit:

ABORTION CLINIC BOMBERS ARE NOT "TERRORISTS".

Well, some patriotic Americans STRONGLY disagree. I would wager that the wife of the police officer that died in an abortion clinic bombing would disagree. So would the spouses and children of other that have died.

Agree or disagree on abortion. But KILLING police who are just doing their job enforcing a LAW is a terrorist action. Thinking otherwise is INSANE.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081024/pl_afp/usvotepalinabortionattacks_081024220009

READ FOR YOURSELF. DECIDE FOR YOURSELF. IS SARAH PALIN A GOOD CHOICE FOR OUR COUNTRY?

QUOTE:
WASHINGTON (AFP) – Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who has accused Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists," has refused to call people who bomb abortion clinics by the same name.

When asked Thursday night by NBC television presenter Brian Williams whether an abortion clinic bomber was a terrorist, Palin heaved a sigh and, at first, circumvented the question.

"There's no question that Bill Ayers by his own admittance was one who sought to destroy our US Capitol and our Pentagon. That is a domestic terrorist," Palin said, referring to a 1960s leftist who founded a radical violent gang dubbed the "Weathermen" -- and who years later supported Obama's first run for public office in the state of Illinois.

"Now, others who would want to engage in harming innocent Americans or facilities that it would be unacceptable to... I don't know if you're gonna use the word 'terrorist' there," the ardently pro-life running mate of John McCain said.

Early this month, after the New York Times ran an article highlighting the ties between Obama and Ayers, Palin told a campaign rally in Colorado that Obama "sees America it seems as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

Attacks on doctors who practice abortion and on family planning clinics in the United States in the 1980s and 1990s left several people dead and scores wounded.

Eric Rudolph, the extreme right winger who planted a bomb at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996, which killed one person, was sentenced three years ago to two life terms in jail for an abortion clinic bombing in Alabama in which a policeman was killed.

Read back Moron and I do a disservice to real morons by lumping you in with them. You cant read, Joe the Plumber's is what I said as a representation of all small business owners and employees who will get hammered by Obamas economics.

JOE THE PLUMBER IS NOT A PLUMBER OR A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER OR A POTENTIAL SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. HE MADE $40,000 LAST YEAR. HE WAS
A PLANT. GET IT? HE OWES OVER $1,000 IN BACK TAXES. HE DOES NOT OWN A BUSINESS!

You still have not answered or shown and proof that Obama does not share the views of Ayers so you attack me for asking. You are so typical of all Obama fans, who dont know the candidate other than he is not a republican so he must be better.

YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE OTHER REPUBLICAN
MEMBERS OF THE ANNENBERG CHALLENGE BOARD
SHARED AYERS' VIEWS. GORDON LIDDY IS CERTAINLY NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY RESPECTED
STATE UNIVERSITY; AYERS IS A DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS.

IN THE REAL WORLD -- AS OPPOSED TO YOUR RUSH/O'REILLY/REDSTATE WORLD -- A UNIVERSITY
PROFESSOR IS MORE RESPECTED THAN A LOONY WHO HAS A RADIO SHOW ON A WINGNUT AM STATION.

Joe Biden has said far worse things than Liddy. Liddy is not important, Biden is and the gaffe master has said far worse.

GIVE ME JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF JOE BIDEN SAYING ANYTHING REMOTELY SIMILAR TO G. GORDON LIDDY ADVISING HIS RADIO FANS TO SHOOT ATF AGENTS
IN THE HEAD -- OR DRAWING UP PLANS TO BOMB
THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION.

GO read what Ayers has written and make the case that the AIG is equevalent.

YOU HAVE JUST MADE THE CASE FOR HOURS THAT
THE AIG IS A PATRIOTIC ORGANIZATION. THIS
MAKES ME DUBIOUS ABOUT YOUR READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS.

Read back Moron and I do a disservice to real morons by lumping you in with them. You cant read, Joe the Plumber's is what I said as a representation of all small business owners and employees who will get hammered by Obamas economics.

You still have not answered or shown and proof that Obama does not share the views of Ayers so you attack me for asking. You are so typical of all Obama fans, who dont know the candidate other than he is not a republican so he must be better.

Joe Biden has said far worse things than Liddy. Liddy is not important, Biden is and the gaffe master has said far worse.

GO read what Ayers has written and make the case that the AIG is equevalent.

Read back, Einstein. You brought up Joe
the Plumber.

I am dazzled by your brilliant ability to
defend Todd Palin's membership in the Alaska
Independence Party. I am sure you would
be equally as forgiving if Michelle Obama
had belonged to a group whose goal was for
Illinois to secede from the United States of
America. Country first!

And do rant on about Bill Ayers' radical
views on education. Never mind that
the late Walter Annenberg, his wife, the
University of Illinois, the Republican members of the Chicago Annenberg board
seemed to have no problem with Bill Ayers'
writings on education. Bill Ayers is a respected member of the Chicago intellectual
community. I am going out on a limb here to
guess that you have probably never been a
member of any intellectual community.
(This is your cue to dazzle us with your
disapproval of "elitists" -- go for it.)

Your specious differentiation between Ayers
and G. Gordon Liddy is just sad. Again,
please defend Liddy's radio advice that his
fans shoot ATF agents in the head.

Since I don't listen to Rush or O'Reilly,
I thank you for sharing your perspective with me.

Footnote: Liddy also drew up plans to bomb
the Brookings Institution. But that is
peachy keen in your world. Nothing at all
like what Bill Ayers did 40 years ago.

Does Obama share the same radical education views and views of America that Ayers does? Obama saying that what Ayers did was detestable does not give me any indication that he disagrees with what Ayers believes, only he does not approve of the method.

Why are you attacking Joe the plumber? What does he have to do with what Obama thinks of Ayers views.

Equating a criminal act, Liddy and spying to a terrorist act Ayers seems a little disingenious. Liddy was convicted of spying, Ayers bombed and attempted to overthrow a government, just a little different.

Todd Palin, what office is he running for? The AIG Party makes great effort to emphasize that its primary goal is merely a vote on secession, something that Party advocates say Alaskans were denied during the founding of the state. A plebiscite was, in fact, held in Alaska at the state's inception in 1958, but AIP members argue that voting was corrupt and that residents were not given the proper choice between statehood, commonwealth status, or complete separation.

Sounds pretty reasonable a vote to decide on what is in the best interest of a state, done through legal means through grass roots.

Wow, kcghrh!

Brilliant counterpoint!

You win. And the Star loses -- because I
am canceling my subscription because of
today's Off the Easel cartoon.

I don't read RedState or StormFront; why
would I pay to read what the Star has sadly
become?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3611840,00.html

About John McCain's close personal friend G. Gordon Liddy, from Wikipedia:

Liddy's connections to John McCain
In 1998 Liddy hosted a fundraiser at his house for John McCain's re-election campaign at which guests could have their pictures taken with McCain and Liddy. Over the years, Liddy, who has referred to McCain as "an old friend," has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns -- including $1,000 in 2008. When David Letterman asked McCain about his relationship with Liddy, McCain said, "I know Gordon Liddy. He paid his debt. He went to prison and paid his debt, as people do. I'm not in any way embarrassed to know Gordon Liddy."

Please address Todd Palin's membership in the
Alaska Independence Party. From ABC News, 09/02/08:

Todd Palin, Longtime Former AIP Member
September 02, 2008 5:11 PM

Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, tells ABC News that regardless of the impression given to members of the Alaskan Independence Party, "Gov. Sarah Palin first registered to vote in the state in May 1982 as a Republican, and she has not changed her party affiliate with the Division of Elections since that time."

That said, Fenumiai says that Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.

So the facts are: Gov. Palin was not a member of this third-party ("Alaska First -- Alaska Always") that wants Alaskans to get a vote on whether or not the state can secede from the U.S. But her husband was a long-time member, and at least two AIP officials recall her attending the 1994 convention, though she says she did not attend.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/the-alaska-divi.html

Please defend John McCain's close personal friendship with G. Gordon Liddy, and defend
Liddy's statement in which he encourages his
radio listeners to shoot ATF Agents and to aim
for the head.

I am sure Thomas McClanahan will help you out.

Please find one terrorist statement made by
Barack Obama.

You, like your liberal buddies, of course have to interject I am a racist. You are in fact much more racist than I. You and your kind, when at a loss, introduce this.

Are you Lewis's love child? You write like him.

Since you are obsessed, you might take the trouble to learn to spell "Ayers."

Do you deny the fact that Sarah Palin's husband
is a secessionist? Is that "putting country
first?"

In your world, the University of Illinois, the
late Walter Annenberg, his wife, and the Republican members of the Annenberg Challenge
board are not terrorists, but Barack Obama is.

Wouldn't it be easier to just say you have a problem with Obama's race than to construct
these absurd rationalizations?

Someone else posted about this yesterday, but
please, please defend John McCain's close personal friendship with G. Gordon Liddy.
You can only quote Bill Ayers; I have quotes
from Liddy that are chilling. Like this one:

"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of bitches."

Do you dispute Ayres is an unrepentent terrorist? Do you dispute that the messiah kicked-off his political life in Ayres house? Do you dispute the messiah served with Ayres for years? If so, you are in a liberal dreamland!

the messiah, closet racist, pacifist, socialist(ooops, sorry Lewis), unfit to lead.

In one primary debate and the recent presidential debate, Barack Obama characterized Ayers' acts 40 years ago as "detestable."

But please do keep Commenting here, insinutating that Barack Obama and Bill Ayers meet three nights a week to build bombs.

As for Joe the Plumber, you poor sap, Joe
the Plumber is not a licensed plumber and
he had neither the intention or the assets to buy a plumbing company. He does not now and never has had a plumber's license. He made
$40,000 last year, and was LYING when he told
Obama he makes $200,000 a year. He did not
pay over a $1,000 in federal taxes and there is a lien on his house. He has been charged
with beating his ex-wife. He belongs to the
Natural Law Party but gives money to the Republicans.

Yet you and all the low-information and
misinformed voters like you and even K. C.
Star writers like Thomas McClanahan embrace
the Bill Ayers story.

Since you did not address Todd Palin's
membership in the Alaska Independence Party,
I assume you are fine with the Palins wanting Alaska to secede from the United States of
America. Or maybe you have no idea what
"secede" means.

Ayers is a radical terrorist. He turned in his bomb making kit and went into a profession that could change more minds than bombs, Education. Take a look at his writings, what he teaches, and his beliefs and if you find nothing wrong with him then you are in the wrong country, because he clearly does not believe in America. Obama sought him out, worked for him, pushed his ideology.

Does Obama agree with the radical educational views that Ayers pushes? It is a legitimate question that no one in the press has asked. Why do you suppose that is, maybe because if all the Joe the Plumber's out there found out about this Obama might have an election problem.

People who support Obama are supporting his ideas and his vision. If radicalism is acceptable then support him, but be honest and admit that you agree with or accept all of Obama's views. I dont hear anyone on the left repudiating Ayers only defending him.

Annenberg did fund CAC and yet the story of modern philanthropy is largely the story of moderate and conservative donors finding their funds captured by far more liberal, often radical, beneficiaries. CAC’s story is a classic of the genre. Ayers and Obama guided CAC money to community organizers, like ACORN and the Developing Communities Project (Part of the Gamaliel Foundation network), groups self-consciously working in the radical tradition of Saul Alinsky. Walter Annenberg’s personal politics don’t change that one iota.

The Annenberg Chicago Education Challenge is not
an organization. Barack Obama did not "seek it
out." He was asked to be on a prestigious
board. Are you suggesting that the late
conservative Republican Walter Annenberg,
his widow who recently endorsed John McCain,
and the other respected members of the Annenberg board -- most of whom are Republicans -- were "seeking out" terrorist assocations.

What is about the fact that Bill Ayers has for
some time been a Distinguished Professor at the
University of Illinois that you and your friends just cannot comprehend?

Are you suggesting that the University of Illinois is a terrorist cell?

And are you proud that Sarah Palin's husband
has been a member of a wingnut party that seriously wants Alaska to secede from the
United States of America? Is that "putting
country first?"

Barack Obama has received endorsements from
members of the families of Dwight D. Eisenhower and Barry Goldwater. William F.
Buckley'son recently endorsed Obama. Are you
going to Comment here accusing those supporters
of being "associated with a terrorist -- Barack
Obama?"

Stan Kurtz has done a lot of good research on this matter and the facts are Ayers and Obama are a lot more than just neighbors. The real question is why did or does Obama seek out people like Ayers, Wright, Carruthers, or his associations with the New Party and ACORN. All of these people and organizations are radical in nature with far left, Socialist, views. Obama is a risk, we dont know how radical he is or how radical he will govern. The press has done a poor job of asking about these associations and openly covered for him on this issue. Honestly, I think most people know Obama is a radical socialist and their hatred of Bush will drive them to elect a guy who really will be bad for America.

I read the daily neocon diatribes and find myself wondering; If Fox News had a power outage and was off the air for 24 hours could the neocons even order themselves a cup of coffee?
Got a problem in your life? Rush and Rupert will provide you with someone to blame for it. Last week it was domestic terorists, followed by Real vs Anti Americans. It's never your fault it's always the "others". Neocons are always the victims.

If you want to read something really scary get up early one morning and read the overnight postings before they are edited and deleted. They will scare the bejesus out of you. Really, do it, especially you undecided voters.

While I'm on the subject, how any anyone be undecided at this point? C'mon what are you waiting for? You know everything there is to know about these guys. Geez, we could claim them both as dependents.

Frankly, I wish Cindy was claiming me as one. What's the old joke about beautiful, rich, and owns a liquor store? With all that why would John want to be President? Another day perhaps.

Lewis Diuguid's column was an embarrassment. It did not help. There is racism in this campaign and mainly coming from the McCain side, but Diuguid was totally off the mark.

McClanahan is a piece of work. I wonder how he goes on like this? Reality doesn't seem to figure into it.

Quotes from Joe Vogler, Alaskan Independence Party Founder

"President Roosevelt had involved us in a war. He had to do something to make Americans mad and I speak pretty frankly. I call him a dirty rotten son of a b-tch of a communist traitor." (2:30 on the first audio clip)

http://uaf-db.uaf.edu/jukebox/yuch/htm/jvog.htm

Todd Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party and Sarah Palin, while she was governor, said she supported their efforts.

Of course, most of the neocon supporters on these forums would agree with Joe Vogler's assessment of FDR, but what about this one?

"MY GOVERNMENT IS MY WORST ENEMY. I'M GOING TO FIGHT THEM WITH ANY MEANS AT HAND."

Joe Vogler is a piece of work. Are the Palin supporters on this forum willing to go that far? TODD PALIN joined the AIP two years after Joe Vogler was killed trying to buy plastic explosives. United we stand?

I notice that no one trying to defend Sixpack Sarah has stepped up to defend this outrage.

I am curious if they plan to step into the voting booth and support McCain/Palin even with this obvious evidence that Todd Palin is was the member of a radical secessionist political party. Evidence that is staring them in the face right now.

"MY GOVERNMENT IS MY WORST ENEMY. I'M GOING TO FIGHT THEM WITH ANY MEANS AT HAND."

Want to talk some more about Rev. Wright? Really? Did he get murdered trying to buy PLASTIC EXPLOSIVES? No? Hey, where are you going, neocons! Come back and talk! We're just getting WARMED UP HERE.

Bill Ayers, anyone? You remember, that guy running the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge? Leonore ANNENBERG (FIFTY MILLION TO AYERS AND ENDORSEMENT ON MCCAIN.COM WEBSITE)

How about the deregulated economy? How about the illegal war? How about illegal wiretapping, torture, crumbling infrastructure, hatred from the world community? The last eight years have been a joke and 95% of these jokes were supported by McCain.

"MY GOVERNMENT IS MY WORST ENEMY. I'M GOING TO FIGHT THEM WITH ANY MEANS AT HAND."

Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaskan Independence Party

Todd Palin, member: Alaskan Independence Party, 1995 to 2002.

The fact that Thomas McClanahan is willing to bash Barack Obama for being on the same BOARD as Ayers and a handful of other links is absurd. McClanahan should be ashamed of himself, but based on his other columsn, that should have happened long ago.

I never heard, or read, a single word about the very dangerous William Ayers during the last 40 years. Furthermore, there is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that after November 4th, he will once again disappear into the world of academia. Ayers and Wright are election props and will soon be forgotten, along with Joe "the plumber".

William Ayres said on 9/11/2001, "I am sorry we didn't do more". What more proof do you dunderheads need that the man is an unrepentant terrorist?

It will be interesting to read his and his wife's new book. I am sure America will be wrong in everyway....

And to think, the messiah kicked-off his political campaign in Ayres' house.

Again, I am so ashamed of the Star.

Bill Ayers is a Distinguished Professor at the
University of Illinois. Is the University of
Illinois a terrorist cell?

Does the uninformed Mr. McClanahan realize who
Walter Annenberg was? Both Ronald Reagan's
presidential runs were driven and financed to
a great extent by a small, elite group of wealthy Californians. Two members of that group
were Walter Annenberg, whose vast fortune came
in part from TV Guide, and the kinky Alfred
Bloomingdale.

Walter Annenberg's widow recently endorsed Senator McCain.

If you are going to write untruths in a daily,
formerly respected metropolitan newspaper, you
really must do a little background reading.
If your convenient "guilt by association"
argument indicts Barack Obama, it also indicts
the University of Illinois, Walter Annenberg,
his widow, and all the distinguished members
of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge board, many
if not most of whom were Republicans.

If Obama was "palling around" with the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers, so too were the directors of the Annenberg Foundation and the following other people who, like Obama, served on the same Chicago Annenberg Challenge board with Ayers:

Patricia Albjerg Graham, currently on the Board of Directors of Apache Corporation (the Texas oil and gas corporation) and professor of education history at Harvard University.

Stanley O Ikenberry, former President of the University of illinois.

Arnold R Weber, former President of Northwestern University and the University of Colorado. Weber has served on the boards of many corporations including Tribune Co, Burlington Northern Santa Fe Inc, PepsiCo Inc, John Deere & Company, Aon Corp. and Inland Steel.

Ray Romero, vice-president and general counsel of Ameritech.

Susan Crown, daughter of Lester Crown, "perennial member of the Forbes 400 list".

Scott C. Smith, president, CEO and publisher of the Chicago Tribune; former chairman of the South Florida Annenberg Challenge.

Susan Blankenbaker Noyes, daughter of Republican former Indiana state senator Virginia Murphy Blankenbaker; goddaughter of Patricia Albjerg Graham.

The current president, chairman and sole director of the Annenberg Foundation is Ambassador Annenberg's widow, Leonore Annenberg. Leonore Annenberg was made Chief of Protocol of the United States by President Reagan. She is a McCain supporter.

By the time Obama met Bill Ayers, it's clear Ayers was regarded as a respectable citizen, even by conservatives.

In 1995, Ayers (with two others) won the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and was awarded $49.5 million dollars by the conservative Annenberg Foundation. The Foundation had been set up by Walter Hubert Annenberg - who had been appointed as US Ambassador to the United Kingdom by President Nixon and awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Reagan. The cheque for $49.5M was presented at a ceremony in Chicago by Wallis Annenberg, Ambassador Annenberg's daughter of Ambassador and current VP of the Annenberg Foundation.

Obama served on the founding Board of Directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge project, set up 1995. The project dealt with the reform of public schooling, as required by the Annenberg Foundation.

In 1997, the City of Chicago awarded Ayers its Citizen of the Year Award for his work on the Annenberg Challenge Project.

makes clear, McCain (and, by parroting him, McClanahan) has distorted Obama's relationship with Ayers:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/10/just_a_four-letter_word.html

McClanahan's or Diguid's on socialism. Probably this one, because it has less basis in reality. Jeez.

Well actually bogeyman is a hobgoblin but if I have offended your hobgoblin sensibilities (must be many rattling around in the neocon soul) please accept my deepest heartfelt apology. There, now it's your turn to apologize. Shall we begin with the last eight years and work our way back to Reagan? Or shall we go alphabetically beginning with Abu Ghraib?

G. Gordon Liddy who advocated murder (of Democrats) in the 1970s and of federal agents in the 1990s is A-OK with you Mr. McClanahan?

Shame on you radical... I am offended by your use of a word that equates to blacks. Where is your liberal "sensitivity" to my hurt feelings? Oh, you racist liberals take all.....

Radicalizedmoderate, it really doesn't bother you that Obama associates with someone like Ayers and lies about it?

Both you and the Midwest Voices columnist today have made an intellectually dishonest attempt to your boogeman's words in Obamas mouth. Don't you have anythig relevant to say like how good Sarah looks in her $150,000 wardrobe, hair & makeup? John looks so good basking in her glow, very life like. C'mon "washed up" radical boogeymen and haute couture are distractions but maybe that's your point.