More on Speaking Out against the War

worth reposting:

"Tomas Young, in Body of War, beautifully describes his own motivation when he enlisted. He signed up right after 9/11, thinking he would go to Afghanistan where the "evil doers" were. Instead he was sent to Iraq and was riding in an unprotected overloaded vehicle when a sniper hit him in the collar bone, paralyzing him from the chest down.

Tomas has continued his honorable service by speaking out against the invasion of Iraq, a country that did nothing to deserve our military attacks. And the people who sponsored the terrorists sit in a different part of the world enjoying the show while they remain out of harm's way.

My challenge to you who support Bush's failed war against Iraq is to look Tomas Young in the eye and tell him that he is disgusting. Tell any of the soldiers who bravely testified before Congress this past week that exposing the atrocities of this invasion is dishonorable. Explain to them how wasting our military resources on an unjust cause is a good thing."

Couldn't help but notice you didn't reply to my challenge.

If you ever served our country -- a big if, given your continual disrespect to America and to American ideals and the contempt you show to our servicemen and women who are being screwed by the current administration -- then you are a disgrace to your uniform by that very disrespect for our great nation that you display with your every post.

You, sir, are a coward, a windbag, and a disgrace. Good men and women have died to protect your right to speak your little mind, and that's a shame, but that's also what's great about our country, this fact that even the most vapid and spineless such as yourself are protected by our Constitution and our laws.

Just as I thought, you have never served your country in uniform. You have never had a shot fired at you in anger, and you are a coward.

I have peed better than you Loser down a slit trench in Dak To.

You call people buffoons simply because you have no honor. You are not even worthy of my contempt.

You're a big-talking coward, and in the several months I have had to observe your drivel, I have yet to see you post anything substantive.

You just get on here and bash Americans and American ideals (and pretty much everyone else).

I can respectfully disagree with many folks, but you sir, are a mere buffoon, who has given us nothing worthy of respect.

You are the coward, when and in what branch did you serve hot shot? Tell me I would really like to know. Otherwise just crawl back to your slime pit, Loaer.

You're a coward. An America-hating coward.

Once a dipstick always a dipstick. You wouldn't know an "American Ideal" if it bit you in your hate America first butt.

That good men have to die while cowards like Rouge spend their days on here vilifying the American ideals that they're laying down their lives to defend.

That good men have to die while people like Sommers and Denise get to voice their idiocy.....

As a wounded Vet, I find it hard at times to uphold that old saw....."I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". I will do that, but I will also defend my right to slap the ever loving snot out of you if you say it to my face. .

Sorry, dude. Facts are facts. BTW, did you hear Greenspan and McCain admit it was about oil?
The Bush Administration told at least 935 lies to sway public opinion into approval for the war. Even your esteemed leader spoke of how he had to repeat things often, to "catapult the propaganda." So, are you calling Bush a Nazi?
You need to face facts, and realize that this administration lied to you. Or don't. But if you expect the patriots to "STFU" while the Republicans try to flush this nation down a toilet, friend, you WILL be disappointed.
BTW, I agree with you that the Dems in Congress haven't offered anything more than a token resistance to Bush.

To all of you bumper sticker quoting liberals, we know you don't like the war. You reps in congress won't do anything about it so please STFU! If I hear one more ignorant coward tell us the war is illegal or was for oil I am going to be sick. Your ignorance of the law is staggering and your Nazi like propaganda of repeating a lie over and over is disgusting. I would say talk to some soldiers who fought in this war and try your cowardly propaganda on them, after your hospital stay maybe you will realize your ignorance has a price.

They served honorably for a cause we now know is illegal and immoral. Tomas Young, in Body of War, beautifully describes his own motivation when he enlisted. He signed up right after 9/11, thinking he would go to Afghanistan where the "evil doers" were. Instead he was sent to Iraq and was riding in an unprotected overloaded vehicle when a sniper hit him in the collar bone, paralyzing him from the chest down.

Tomas has continued his honorable service by speaking out against the invasion of Iraq, a country that did nothing to deserve our military attacks. And the people who sponsored the terrorists sit in a different part of the world enjoying the show while they remain out of harm's way.

My challenge to you who support Bush's failed war against Iraq is to look Tomas Young in the eye and tell him that he is disgusting. Tell any of the soldiers who bravely testified before Congress this past week that exposing the atrocities of this invasion is dishonorable. Explain to them how wasting our military resources on an unjust cause is a good thing.

In the meantime, we in the peace community here in KC will continue to speak out and to support our troops by demanding they be brought home out of harm's way. Our feet are on the ground; where are yours?

With respect to the fallen soldiers, it is not incumbent on anyone to explain this to the troops but the Commander in Chief. He is who has lead them to where they are and must explain. He is the one that made what is clearly a mistake.

It is difficult for anyone to characterize the loss of life, whether soldiers or innocent bystanders as having been in vain. Yet, that is what is happening. This was clear soon after it happened and could have been seen in advance if proper care had been taken. There was never a real rush to go there given there was decades to any atomic bomb.

It is becoming more clear every day and it is a difficult yet very clear message that is being sent by the majority of the American people. I guess it makes one want to step on the delivery boy - but I would suggest we channel our energy somewhere more helpful because this is precisely the kind of reactive aggression and false logic that has lead to this Iraqi disaster....

I would characterize the loss of lives as tragic, yet not a complete loss, as much has already and will in future be learned from this imbroglio. It will make America and her approach to the war on terror more focused, better prepared and effective...

One could argue that it did also dispose of Saddam, but this needs to be considered in perspective - it has been at a very high price in lost lives and it has in fact reduced America's security vis a vis terrorists by providing a new haven and terrorist recruitment ammunition for Al Qaeda and other anti-American terrorist groups....

I will make you a deal. You come and speak before returned veterans of the 101st, the 3 ID, et. al. and tell them their service and sacrifice, "means nothing". Tell them that their service to our Country was of no value. Tell them that their efforts in defeating a tyrant killer was no big deal.

You want to do that Mr. Sommer?

Hell, if you do I wil pay for your travel costs, because I want to be there and see you look each one of those young heros in the eye when you tell them that.

You "Peace at any price" people probably got over half my comrades in arms killed in 1968. People like you disgust me. I have scraped better than you off the soles of my jump boots.

Denise Tiller, Midwest Voices 2008

I believe we were plunged into a war for all the wrong reasons. I'm positive we went into it without any clear plan on how to deal with the consequences. Yes, our military might allowed us to "win" in a short time, but the Bush administration was so short-sighted they didn't anticipate that once we "broke" the country, we owned the problem. There was no "Step 2--nation building" plan.

We are tossing away billions of dollars when we could use that money for people in this country who need it--and for better causes aboard. And we need to do a better job for our heroes, the men and women in the military. They deserve better benefits, particularly medical care and a GI bill that will really help them get an education.

Denise Tiller, Midwest Voices 2008