Global warming deniers losing ground
Lewis DiuguidGlobal warming deniers have been a quiet bunch lately.
Sure there was the iceberg that sheered off from Greenland. It was the size of Manhattan — that big place in New York, not the so-called Little Apple in Kansas.
Also, Kansas City and the rest of the Midwest are burning up with temperatures stuck above 100 degrees through this week and into the next. People doing excessive watering to keep their lawns from dying may have to arrange for a payment plan with the water department just as folks have had to because of high electric and gas bills during the cooling and heating seasons.
A drive across Missouri and parts of Kansas show that the farmers who planted corn now have long, sad faces. Their corn crop looks stunted and sun-stressed.
Consumers have to know that will mean higher food prices in the coming months, and motorists will get stung, too with higher prices at the pump because of Missouri’s special alcohol blend — also made with corn.
Phil Cardarella
10 months, 1 week agoNo doubt, the GOP dinosaurs denied the astroid hit.
One of the problems with being in the same boat with a bunch of folks who refuse to recognize a leak,let alone help bail — even as we are knee-deep in water— is that they can actuall get us all drowned. Especially since they won’teven let us do the bailing.
Kent Mueller
10 months, 1 week agoThis is classic obfuscation of the issue.
It’s similar to how the left frames the illegal-immigration debate. In that debate, much of the left refers to the right as being anti-immigration. Notice the difference in words? While someone who is anti-illegal immigration can also be anti-immigration, I know very few people in that category. But still, the left refers to the right as anti immigration, which, of course, is incorrect.
Which brings us to this obfuscation. Lewis says the so-called deniers are denying that temperatures are rising. Again, there may be some out there who deny that. And actually, it all depends on the start and end date of your data. Temperatures are either rising or falling depending on the start date of the data.
The obfuscation the left achieves in this debate is to, as Lewis does here, refer to global warming. That confuses that issue with if any warming we have is caused by man. That is the issue, but yet the left says the right denies temperatures are rising, when the right is saying temperatures may be rising, but not due to man.
Kyle Rohde
10 months, 1 week agoWell said Kent - the few hundred years of temperature data available are but a blip on the world’s overall radar screen, and I, like many people, believe the warming we are seeing is part of the Earth’s natural cycles rather than something caused by 150 years of the industrial age.
Steve Alleman
Kansas City
10 months, 1 week agoYour beliefs are irrelevant, Kyle.
Mark Robertson
10 months, 1 week agoAnd just what caused the dust bowl days of the 1930s? The claim that mankind produces harmful global warming is a total hoax. The global warming bunch, (now called climate change) warned us about global cooling in the 70s. See Time and Newsweek. Such a fraud. The current hot temps are caused by the weather phenomenon known as summer time. Thank you. Mark Robertson Independence
JR Beillenhouser
10 months, 1 week agoLet’s look at the science. James Hansen, certainly one of Lewis’s heros, provide a temperature forecast in 1988.
In that forecast, he defined what the effects of CO2 would be in terms of temperature to CO2 levels.
His projections are off by 150%. In fact the temperatures line up with the no increase in CO2 curve.
http://notrickszone.com/2012/06/15/norwegian-climate-professor-hansens-projection-off-by-150-regrettable-that-politicians-still-view-it-as-reliable/
Or how about this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jun/15/james-lovelock-interview-gaia-theory
AGW is going down in flames. Lewis, sure we are having a heat wave. What is happening now in England? 2 winters ago, we had one of the coldest winters on record. I seem to remember you stating that we should not base AGW on one winter. Well, the same holds true for summer.
Steve Alleman
Kansas City
10 months, 1 week agoYet you read and comment on every column he writes, Kay. Who cares what you say?
George Hunsucker
Northland
10 months, 1 week agoYou need to keep writing about victimhood lewis, AGW is beyond your paygrade…
Rick Adams
10 months agoThank goodness Pappy that since 2009 ( actually 2008 ) that the consensus has rallied around climate change being legitimate.
And that document originally found here - http://www.kngeol.pan.pl/images/stories/pliki/2.Stanowisko%20KNG%20w%20sprawie%20zmian%20klimatu.pdf has been deleted. And the folks over here - http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=104733&sid=e3bb5bab3c5092def0ad305d0fdcba8b&start=20 make some pretty good arguments that the Polish study is just wrong. But you have to understand math.
And I know you will make reference to that huge list of scientists who signed document “X”…
I called 3 of them who work at KU 2 years ago or so. Not a one recalled signing anything like that. One did recall some sort of mailer but nothing he replied to. Call them yourself and see.
Kent Mueller
10 months agoRick, I refer you to my comment above regarding obfuscation from the left. You talk about climate change. Who would argue the climate doesn’t change. It does. In fact, Pappy laid out facts representing how the climate has fluctuated (changed). And you argue with him. Why.
So, as I said before, it’s not about climate change, as you confuse the issue. The debate is about whether man has caused the change. Man didn’t cause the earlier changes, why would it be attributed to man this time?
Rick Adams
10 months agoEasy answer Kent,
400 ( or 4000 or 4 Million) years ago there were not 7 Billion people and 20% did not have cars or have 10 coal plants in their states.
How many Suburbans were there in the time of the Pharaohs ? Ford F150s being used to pickup a kid from school ? How many 1 mile long trains carrying coal from Wyoming to Kansas City ? How many mountains getting their tops blown off to extract more coal ?
I think the answer is ZERO.
Kent Mueller
10 months agoRick, interesting facts, but that doesn’t say anything. And guess what? we have fewer active volcanoes now.